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Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery?


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It depends. Are you inviting him over BECAUSE he's black? If that were the case, you could be guilty of singling him out because of race, and that would be unacceptable :shock:

That is unless she was going for a little jungle fever. In that case I think the brother involved would not care one way or the other. :3oops:
 
Lawl, I dislike sensitive liberals. Always apologizing, always politically correct, always afraid to say it like it truly is.
 
Now go on this
-situation- An African American goes and eats KFC as often as a white person does. But theres a sterotype that Black people like Chicken. so the white man makes a racial remark.- what do you think?

I think I probably wouldn't notice and if I did notice I would give a ****.

The first time I busted down a big truck tire, a buddy of mine was there watching and he said that the reason I was so proficient at breaking down the tire, was because of, "the nigger in me". We laughed about it.

The point being, life is too short to worry about stuff that isn't worth worrying about.
 
Lawl, I dislike sensitive liberals. Always apologizing, always politically correct, always afraid to say it like it truly is.

If I believed in political correctness, I'd never talk to black people for fear of saying something wrong.
This political correctness crap has to go so people can start having real discussions with each other.
 
Kali should have been warned/infracted as well, since he/she is blindly calling people racists. People with that sort of blind mentality annoy me the most, where anything you think or say is "racist."

I am not blindly attacking anybody. I suggest you stop attacking me
 
Mods: please move thread downstairs.

This is why I hardly start threads up here as people cannot seem to post without personal attacks!
 
Mods: please move thread downstairs.

This is why I hardly start threads up here as people cannot seem to post without personal attacks!

Who is attacking you now? In your world does disagree=attack? Just wondering? :shrug:
 
A world of academic research proving the effects of slavery and racial discrimination Vs. People on an internet forum with little knowledge of the socioeconomic effects of 400 years worth of racial discrimination.

Tough call. Tough call indeed.
 
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A world of academic research proving that the effects of slavery and racial discrimination Vs. People on an internet forum with little knowledge of the socioeconomic effects of 400 years worth of racial discrimination.

Tough call. Tough call indeed.

Best post ever
 
A world of academic research proving the effects of slavery and racial discrimination Vs. People on an internet forum with little knowledge of the socioeconomic effects of 400 years worth of racial discrimination.

Tough call. Tough call indeed.

Excuses, excuses.

I wonder why brown skinned people in the rest of the Western world were able to recover and move on.
 
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A world of academic research proving the effects of slavery and racial discrimination Vs. People on an internet forum with little knowledge of the socioeconomic effects of 400 years worth of racial discrimination.

Tough call. Tough call indeed.

So tell us oh repressed one, just what specific "after effects" of slavery are you still experiencing? I don't want to hear discrimination, because fat people, ugly people, poor people, and Italian immigrants all experience that without ever having been enslaved by Americans.
 
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Gipper is banned from this thread. There is a mod box to not talk about the topic and not other posters, I would suggest paying attention to it.
 
"Who's more racist, black people or white people? Black people! 'Cause we hate black people too!"--Chris Rock
 
Mods: please move thread downstairs.

This is why I hardly start threads up here as people cannot seem to post without personal attacks!

The thread is actually a legitimate topic and a good discussion and there's nothing wrong with bringing it up. . . don't feel bad and try not to take personal attacks to heart.
 
As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

In comparing migrations to the U.S. one has to keep in mind that they were not all the same even though they looked like it on the surface. The migration of African slaves into the Americas was unique in that it was the only one where the immigrants were not accommodated within the American mainstream within 100 years. Today you would not be able to tell that there was ever anti-immigrant posters in Manhattan during the 1910s and 20s. You wouldn't even be able to tell that there was ever even any real discrimination against Italians. Less than 50 years after the mass migrations of the early 20th century Italians were able to own businesses, buy houses in affluent neighbors and amass wealth.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

That is not to say Italians, Polish and the Irish were not discriminated against. It would be foolish to make such a claim. What is being asserted is that the discrimination was entirely different and less extreme. This has been attributed to the fact that most of these groups migrated through the East Coast. In contrast, most Africans in America had been sent to the South. Southern resentment over losing the Civil War was expressed in the many Southern laws barring blacks from owning businesses. It was expressed in the segregation of schools. The South however was not alone in this discrimination as even in the early 20th century blacks had yet to make a real mark in Northern politics or academia.

The point I'm trying to make is that though it may seem to some that 'discrimination of blacks' and 'discrimination of Italians' might sound the same, the historical evidence proves that they are not. It's not that one was discrimination and the other was not. It's that they were different kinds of discrimination. Whereas most European groups had been absorbed by the American mainstream less than 50 years after their arrival, blacks endured a systematic discrimination that lasted well into the second half of the 20th century.
 
I would compare it to the continual distancing and maltreatment of the Jews in Europe for the last several centuries.
 
Excuses, excuses.

I wonder why brown skinned people in the rest of the Western world were able to recover and move on.

.... which brown people in the rest of the Western world? Are you talking about black Brazilians? They account for most of Brazil's poverty.

Brazilian%20favela%20-%20by%20Lika%20Braun.jpg


Are those the 'brown people' you're talking about? Which 'brown' people in the Western world are you talking about?
 
Excuses, excuses.

I wonder why brown skinned people in the rest of the Western world were able to recover and move on.

Are you kidding me? :(
 
As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

In comparing migrations to the U.S. one has to keep in mind that they were not all the same even though they looked like it on the surface. The migration of African slaves into the Americas was unique in that it was the only one where the immigrants were not accommodated within the American mainstream within 100 years. Today you would not be able to tell that there was ever anti-immigrant posters in Manhattan during the 1910s and 20s. You wouldn't even be able to tell that there was ever even any real discrimination against Italians. Less than 50 years after the mass migrations of the early 20th century Italians were able to own businesses, buy houses in affluent neighbors and amass wealth.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

That is not to say Italians, Polish and the Irish were not discriminated against. It would be foolish to make such a claim. What is being asserted is that the discrimination was entirely different and less extreme. This has been attributed to the fact that most of these groups migrated through the East Coast. In contrast, most Africans in America had been sent to the South. Southern resentment over losing the Civil War was expressed in the many Southern laws barring blacks from owning businesses. It was expressed in the segregation of schools. The South however was not alone in this discrimination as even in the early 20th century blacks had yet to make a real mark in Northern politics or academia.

The point I'm trying to make is that though it may seem to some that 'discrimination of blacks' and 'discrimination of Italians' might sound the same, the historical evidence proves that they are not. It's not that one was discrimination and the other was not. It's that they were different kinds of discrimination. Whereas most European groups had been absorbed by the American mainstream less than 50 years after their arrival, blacks endured a systematic discrimination that lasted well into the second half of the 20th century.

Ok, so how many Italian presidents have we had?

Maybe I should have included Jews as well, Americans didn't enslave Jews are you going to tell me we don't still see discrimation against the Jewish community? And you still didn't answer the question regarding your own "repression". How have you recently been forceably "held back" through legal means and can you attribute it directly to slavery?

Before you answer, please keep in mind that slavery legally ended 145 years ago in this country and even at its height, less than 1% of Americans owned slaves (only 10% of those living in the former Confederate states). I'm trying to stick to the OP here man, you should do the same. :shrug:
 
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I would compare it to the continual distancing and maltreatment of the Jews in Europe for the last several centuries.

I wouldn't. Jews in Europe did not lead a continual cycle of repression. European attitudes of Jews from the 19th to the 20th century were dependent on the state of the economy. Before that they had been dependent on the latest plague or hard times of Christians. Jews in Europe were likely to prosper economically and socially as long as nothing went really wrong. In America discrimination of blacks was simply a way of life. Originally there were no real racist beliefs behind white supremacy in America. How could slaves be blamed for the hard lives of white Americans if they possessed no political capital whatsoever? As blacks were granted citizenship they could now be blamed for bad crops, social problems, economic hard times etc.
 
Ok, so how many Italian presidents have we had?

What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about the socioeconomic effects of 400 years of discrimination on an entire group of people and you're talking about a group of people who were absorbed into American 'whiteness' within 50 years of their arrival. The reason we haven't had an Italian president is because well, none that is viable to the voting base has ever postulated himself. Can you name a single presidential candidate of Italian origins within the last 10 years other than Giuliani? I really can't. Asking why we haven't had an Italian president is about as relevant to this discussion as asking why we haven't had a Jewish president. We're talking about whether slavery has had after effects. The reality is that it has and this has been covered extensively in academia.

Maybe I should have included Jews as well, Americans didn't enslave Jews are you going to tell me we don't still see discrimation against the Jewish community? And you still didn't answer the question regarding your own "repression". How have you recently been forceably "held back" through legal means and can you attribute it directly to slavery?

Before you answer, please keep in mind that slavery legally ended 145 years ago in this country and even at its height, less than 1% of Americans owned slaves (only 10% of those living in the former Confederate states). I'm trying to stick to the OP here man, you should do the same. :shrug:

What you wrote isn't even remotely coherent. Did you read my post? At all? Please try it?
 
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Doesn't matter, racism is racism and repression is repression.
Now go on this
-situation- An African American goes and eats KFC as often as a white person does. But theres a sterotype that Black people like Chicken. so the white man makes a racial remark.- what do you think?


Moderator's Warning:
Both of you knock it off.
 
As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

In comparing migrations to the U.S. one has to keep in mind that they were not all the same even though they looked like it on the surface. The migration of African slaves into the Americas was unique in that it was the only one where the immigrants were not accommodated within the American mainstream within 100 years. Today you would not be able to tell that there was ever anti-immigrant posters in Manhattan during the 1910s and 20s. You wouldn't even be able to tell that there was ever even any real discrimination against Italians. Less than 50 years after the mass migrations of the early 20th century Italians were able to own businesses, buy houses in affluent neighbors and amass wealth.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

That is not to say Italians, Polish and the Irish were not discriminated against. It would be foolish to make such a claim. What is being asserted is that the discrimination was entirely different and less extreme. This has been attributed to the fact that most of these groups migrated through the East Coast. In contrast, most Africans in America had been sent to the South. Southern resentment over losing the Civil War was expressed in the many Southern laws barring blacks from owning businesses. It was expressed in the segregation of schools. The South however was not alone in this discrimination as even in the early 20th century blacks had yet to make a real mark in Northern politics or academia.

The point I'm trying to make is that though it may seem to some that 'discrimination of blacks' and 'discrimination of Italians' might sound the same, the historical evidence proves that they are not. It's not that one was discrimination and the other was not. It's that they were different kinds of discrimination. Whereas most European groups had been absorbed by the American mainstream less than 50 years after their arrival, blacks endured a systematic discrimination that lasted well into the second half of the 20th century.

Good post. I actually agree.

What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.
 
As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.



Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

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How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.
BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger
 
.... which brown people in the rest of the Western world? Are you talking about black Brazilians? They account for most of Brazil's poverty.

Brazilian%20favela%20-%20by%20Lika%20Braun.jpg


Are those the 'brown people' you're talking about? Which 'brown' people in the Western world are you talking about?

Ummmm... When did Brazil become part of the "Western World?"

It is a third world country, what did you expect? France?
 
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