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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The ghettos were created through white flight as I just said.
    You may want to google "The Great Migration." You referenced Harlem? There are many more dynamics (historically speaking) other than simply "white flight" at work here.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You may want to google "The Great Migration."
    If you are trying to imply something about blacks leaving areas in droves as well then you are being pretty insensitive here. The fact is that black fled an oppressive situation in the South to go places where there was more tolerance. Of course, more tolerance in that case meant they would simply leave them destitute rather than making them sit at the back of the bus.

    You referenced Harlem? There are many more dynamics (historically speaking) other than simply "white flight" at work here.
    True, but then white flight is a huge part of it. What other factors are you including?
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Ummmm... When did Brazil become part of the "Western World?"

    It is a third world country, what did you expect? France?
    Is that some sort of joke? Brazil is part of the Western World.

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    The Western world, also known as the West and the Occident (from Latin: occidens "sunset, west"; as contrasted with the Orient), is a term that can have multiple meanings depending on its context (e.g., the time period, the region or social situation).[1] Accordingly, the basic definition of what constitutes "the West" varies, expanding and contracting over time, in relation to various historical circumstances. The concept of the Western world has its roots in Greco-Roman civilization in Europe, the advent of Christianity, and the Great Schism in the 11th Century which divided the religion into Eastern and Western halves. In the modern era, Western culture has been heavily influenced by the traditions of The Renaissance and The Enlightenment, and shaped by expansive colonialism in the 18th-19th Century. Its political usage was temporarily informed by mutual antagonism with the Soviet bloc during the Cold War in the mid to late 20th Century. In the contemporary political and cultural context, the Western World generally refers to the nations of the Americas, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and South Africa[citation needed].
    But if you want to talk about blacks in France.... What about them? The majority live in French Banlieu's as they are mostly Muslims(ghettos - surprise.)

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Ghettos shackle French Muslims

    "We were all poor, but there were French people, East Europeans, as well as blacks and Arabs," says Mr Dendoune, 33, an author and something of a celebrity in his estate.

    Two decades on, the complexion of the place has changed.

    "On my class photos more than half the kids were white," he says. "On today's pictures only one or two are."

    L'Ile St-Denis is among the "suburbs" around French cities where immigrants, notably from former North African colonies, have been housed since the 1960s.

    Blighted by bad schools and endemic unemployment, the suburbs are hard to escape.
    Seriously, what 'blacks' in what 'Western World' are you talking about? Every country that was involved in the slave trade and has a sizeable population of blacks, has a population of blacks which are overrepresented in the poverty department. That's a fact. It's not one you can run away from because we'll you really can't avoid a fact. Their poverty is due to other reasons, in France for example there are hiring practices which essentially make it impossible for those living in the banlieus(Arabs, Black Africans, Hispanics to a lesser extent) to get hired. Seriously, if you want to pretend you're the success story that everybody else can magically follow, that's great. However the fact remains that you and I are exceptions. The black man has been ****ed over for 400 years and that's not something which can be fixed by feel well speeches from pretentious whites or black conservatives who are ignorant of their own history.

    Why don't you do us both a favor, pick up a book by W.E.B. du Bois called 'The Negro'. He essentially outlines the issue facing blacks back in the 1910s. It came way before the 1960s. Way before every social program you seem to hate. Read about what it was like to be a black person in any part of the world back in the 19th century. When you do that, you can tell us all whether or not you still feel the way you do about the effects of slavery.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The ghettos were created through white flight as I just said.
    Yes, if only white people had been forced to continue living there, things would have been just peachy keen. Come to think of it, we should try to fix that by sending white people back into those neighborhoods now. You thinking about moving any time soon? I can find you a great apt in Brownsville or East Flatbush for cheap.

    Oh, wait, that won't work. Whenever white people start moving back to those areas now, the people in that area start bitching about how gentrification is ruining the neighborhood and how the white people are driving up rent and forcing the poor minorities out. You're a racist if you do, and a racist if you don't.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The ghettos were created through white flight as I just said.
    So if there are no white people, a place becomes a ghetto?
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why don't you do us both a favor, pick up a book by W.E.B. du Bois called 'The Negro'. He essentially outlines the issue facing blacks back in the 1910s. It came way before the 1960s. Way before every social program you seem to hate. Read about what it was like to be a black person in any part of the world back in the 19th century. When you do that, you can tell us all whether or not you still feel the way you do about the effects of slavery.
    Or, pick up a book by Booker T. Washington called 'Up From Slavery' and read about the other side of the story. His autobiography which basically outlines a "rags-to-riches" story of how Washington overcame being a slave and rose to the position of serving a 34-year term as president of the influential, agriculturally based Tuskegee Institute in Alabama.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I understand that.

    We have tried that and it failed. Most (not all) wanted for what ever reason to take the easy road. It was disheartening, and I gave up at that point.

    When I was homeless, we were standing in a food line for hot dogs. A young good looking black guy was in front of me near the piled hot dogs. He started stuffing his pockets with them. I said "why are you doing that? Their is plenty for everyone. This is about honor and integrity." He looked me straight in the eye and said "I have none of those" and that was that.

    Take what you will, but I am done.
    Our disagreement seems to stem from you not believing that blacks were affected enough by 400 years of discrimination and the academic world knowing it has. My disagreement with most people on this board stems from the blatant hypocrisy of white America in regards to black America. Even though blacks in America were slaves, discriminated against and harrassed by their government, we're one of the handful of groups which have fought for this country over and over again in every single conflict. We gave this country free labor for hundreds of years. We've paid taxes from the minute they were instated.

    All the while, the same Protestant White America which demanded all these things from us thought that it was just fine from barring us from accumulating wealth, creating businesses and becoming prosperous. Why? Because it would not fit their vision of that great city on the hill. This fantasy black conservatives have that if you work hard, go to school and remain a good citizen that you could have built wealth is nothing but that, a fantasy. Blacks in America have been expected to be good citizens as the government and whites demand more from them and at the same time work without any hope of getting anywhere. After hundreds of years, the attitude of the oppressor becomes the burden of the oppressed.

    I guess then that's my problem with the race relations in this country. It's the sheer hypocrisy of white conservative America in regards to what blacks (along with so many other groups) have gone through and what every other group they have oppressed has gone through. Whereas Jews were discriminated almost as much as blacks in the South, today you would not be able to tell because of how guilty white America feels about what the Germans did. Why don't they feel bad for the oppression of Natives? Why don't they feel bad about how the Chinese in San Francisco were treated? I guess Jews got Israel, Natives got casinos and the Chinese got Harvard. What did blacks get from the same America we, as a people, actually built? We got a thanks and a monthly welfare check. Well thanks. I guess it's a lot better than whatever it is conservatives are offering. Which is a spit in the face really.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Or, pick up a book by Booker T. Washington called 'Up From Slavery' and read about the other side of the story. His autobiography which basically outlines a "rags-to-riches" story of how Washington overcame being a slave and rose to the position of serving a 34-year term as president of the influential, agriculturally based Tuskegee Institute in Alabama.
    Are you joking? Washington is the ****ing problem. His opinion boils down to 'appeasing whites' and maybe someday they'll end up liking us enough to do more than let us change their tires and deliver milk. No thanks.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you joking? Washington is the ****ing problem. His opinion boils down to 'appeasing whites' and maybe someday they'll end up liking us enough to do more than let us change their tires and deliver milk. No thanks.
    Washington believed that political agitation/upheaval was not the best approach to improving the plight of his people. He focused on hard work, self-reliance, determination and diplomacy to accomplish success. Perhaps you should do some research and see what influential Black leaders like Malcom X, Louis Farrakhan, Marcus Garvey, Elijah Muhammed, and MLK, Jr. have said about the importance of Washington's work?
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I guess then that's my problem with the race relations in this country. It's the sheer hypocrisy of white conservative America in regards to what blacks (along with so many other groups) have gone through and what every other group they have oppressed has gone through. Whereas Jews were discriminated almost as much as blacks in the South, today you would not be able to tell because of how guilty white America feels about what the Germans did.
    So the reason why Jews and blacks are in their relative positions in society is because white Gentiles feel bad about what the Germans did but don't care about what happened to the blacks?

    Why don't they feel bad about how the Chinese in San Francisco were treated?
    You're saying that the white Gentiles don't feel bad about how the Chinese in San Fran were treated, yet you go on to acknowledge that the Chinese have achieved great success in society. How did they manage to do that without the sympathy of the white Gentiles?

    I guess Jews got Israel, Natives got casinos and the Chinese got Harvard. What did blacks get from the same America we, as a people, actually built? We got a thanks and a monthly welfare check.
    Can you explain exactly how the Chinese "got" Harvard while the blacks got nothing? Last I checked, the blacks received the largest boost when applying to schools while asians are actually penalized. Seems incongruous.
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