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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Well why the hell didn't you tell me how bad it was on the internet before I went looking?

    I mean I knew it was problem, just never read garbage such as that. Black conservatives might even be treated worse than the Palins.
    Naaaa we snub our noses at Palins, lol.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post




    That's great for you. However your family's poverty did not come as a result of systematic racism. Seriously, you supposedly have a degree in this stuff. Why are the words 'systematic poverty' such a big issue for you?
    "Systematic racism".....no. "Systematic discrimination"....perhaps. Since Reconstruction there has been quite a stigma placed on the "Southern White". Being white and from the "Deep South" opens one up to an entirely different world of discrimination and lost job opportunities.

    My own state has lost out on huge corporate investments and potential contracts (that would have helped both Black and WHite citizens) because of such. I, personally have lost out on at least two Graduate Fellowship opportunities at "Northern" Universities and was told it was because it was believed my "background experiences may clash with the overall focus of the University's History Program" (in nice terms). Being labeled a "racist" simply because I happen to be white and happen to be from the South is not a great feeling. Hatuey, I guess this is just the best that I can do to explain my position - take from it what you will
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Good post. I actually agree.

    What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

    Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

    I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.
    I feel it is not that some young black men do not wish to inspire to be like Colen Powell or President Obama but that they feel hopeless and as if they never could reach that level.

    I mean when you are living in the hood? Safety is the way of life and sadly? Sometimes the way to eat or have clothes is by resorting to thug life. Consider it like trying to survive in a jungle and doing what you gotta do.

    It is not like a lot of these young black men feel it is cool but they feel it is needed in order to live. You see what I mean?

    What we really need are more stronger black roles models going into these inner city schools and teaching these kids that there are other ways out but also showing them how with actual REAL help. Not just going in giving some lame ass speech then rolling out back to your normal life. HELP these kids. Make damn sure they are safe, fed, clothed, help with school and help em go onto college.

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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I feel it is not that some young black men do not wish to inspire to be like Colen Powell or President Obama but that they feel hopeless and as if they never could reach that level.

    I mean when you are living in the hood? Safety is the way of life and sadly? Sometimes the way to eat or have clothes is by resorting to thug life. Consider it like trying to survive in a jungle and doing what you gotta do.

    It is not like a lot of these young black men feel it is cool but they feel it is needed in order to live. You see what I mean?
    I understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    What we really need are more stronger black roles models going into these inner city schools and teaching these kids that there are other ways out but also showing them how with actual REAL help. Not just going in giving some lame ass speech then rolling out back to your normal life. HELP these kids. Make damn sure they are safe, fed, clothed, help with school and help em go onto college.

    I do not care how much it cost it is needed.
    We have tried that and it failed. Most (not all) wanted for what ever reason to take the easy road. It was disheartening, and I gave up at that point.

    When I was homeless, we were standing in a food line for hot dogs. A young good looking black guy was in front of me near the piled hot dogs. He started stuffing his pockets with them. I said "why are you doing that? Their is plenty for everyone. This is about honor and integrity." He looked me straight in the eye and said "I have none of those" and that was that.

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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Well I was talking about a little more deeper than food lines and about programs in schools to help. But ok.

    I am sure there are white folks that rob food lines too and that is pretty messed up. I am done too as said what I needed to say so far
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Just because slavery ended a long time ago does not mean it has not left its mark even to this day. For people who talk about the black urban poor you need to remember two words "white flight" and how that tells you just about all you need to know. I mean, Harlem used to be one hoppin' place. However, as more colored folk moved in the white people started getting the hell out of Dodge and they took their money with them.

    I do not think racism is really holding the black community down anymore, but rather it is the generational poverty brought on by centuries of abuse. Breaking out of poverty is very difficult for any individual and this is even more the case when someone lives in an impoverished area. The linkage between the situation in the black community to slavery is basic history.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th Centuries?
    What about those centuries? The historical literature shows it really wasn't as bad as we've been led to believe. If anything, new Christian converts had it much, much worse than Jews. Whereas in most of Europe, Christian converts(of either Muslim or Jewish heritage) are executed in the inquisition. However, only 3 Latin states kick out both Jews and Muslims from their lands. This was done mostly by the Spanish and the Portuguese (the French were also involved but to a different extent and for different reasons). The papacy never endorses this expulsion and the majority of these Spanish Jews end up being called Sephardi Jews. Anyhow, Sephardis become welcomed in Muslim states; specially in Turkey where they are essentially begged to move into Istanbul.

    For European countries which don't really expel their Jews, they end up moving them into 'ghettos'. In these 'ghettos', Jews not only have businesses but they essentially are running their micro-cities with institutions of higher learning, law courts etc. There were really no laws governing their finances or forbidding them from attaining credit and developing an economic culture. As opposed to America, where blacks were not only taxed without any kind of representation but they were systematically denied the creation of such culture.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I do not think racism is really holding the black community down anymore, but rather it is the generational poverty brought on by centuries of abuse. Breaking out of poverty is very difficult for any individual and this is even more the case when someone lives in an impoverished area. The linkage between the situation in the black community to slavery is basic history.
    It has nothing to do with "centuries of abuse" and everything to do with the ghetto culture not only not valuing education and success, but actively fighting against such things. In order to be "black", you're supposed to be poor, uneducated, father a lot of children outside of wedlock, etc. Those who actually do get an education and try to get out of the ghetto are seen as sellouts.

    Until these things change, how can we expect the lives of blacks to ever improve? They're doing it to themselves.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It has nothing to do with "centuries of abuse" and everything to do with the ghetto culture not only not valuing education and success, but actively fighting against such things. In order to be "black", you're supposed to be poor, uneducated, father a lot of children outside of wedlock, etc. Those who actually do get an education and try to get out of the ghetto are seen as sellouts.

    Until these things change, how can we expect the lives of blacks to ever improve? They're doing it to themselves.
    The ghettos were created through white flight as I just said.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Obviously there is some stigma attached to being of the race that was formerly in slavery. The African-Americans were treated like second class citizens from 1860 to 1964, and later in some areas, Things keep getting better as the old guard dies off, yet repression still exists here and there in America.
    Something is seriously wrong in America if one has to be "very liberal" to see this...
    As I read these forums, its apparent that the conservatives deny this..

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