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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wouldn't. Jews in Europe did not lead a continual cycle of repression. European attitudes of Jews from the 19th to the 20th century were dependent on the state of the economy. Before that they had been dependent on the latest plague or hard times of Christians. Jews in Europe were likely to prosper economically and socially as long as nothing went really wrong. In America discrimination of blacks was simply a way of life. Originally there were no real racist beliefs behind white supremacy in America. How could slaves be blamed for the hard lives of white Americans if they possessed no political capital whatsoever? As blacks were granted citizenship they could now be blamed for bad crops, social problems, economic hard times etc.
    But the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th Centuries?
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?
    Well, you seem to be harping on the Black Man's inability to transcend the "repression" which still exists because of slavery. We now have an African-American president - I would say this is an example of transcending pretty well. Obviously the Italian-Americans, Latin-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Anglo-Saxxon women have not been able to "transcend" the "repression" as effectively. And none of these groups were enslaved by Americans.

    What you wrote isn't even remotely coherent. Did you read my post? At all? Please try it?
    You basically said the same thing in three paragraphs. Spare me the History lesson - I have a degree in that field.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Good post. I actually agree.

    What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

    Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

    I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.
    You sound like Ron Christie. I saw a great interview with him on C-Span about his new book "Acting White." He's doing his best to help kids realize things like it's ok to be smart and to study and work hard. Not to be afraid of being told that they are acting white.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You sound like Ron Christie. I saw a great interview with him on C-Span about his new book "Acting White." He's doing his best to help kids realize things like it's ok to be smart and to study and work hard. Not to be afraid of being told that they are acting white.
    That is a problem. It's not "cool" to be smart and do well in school. Black females on the other hand are excelling. This is solid proof that the problem is not outside sources, it is the black community itself.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Good post. I actually agree.

    What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

    Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

    I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.
    I am far more tired of people who say that there were no after effects to slavery than I am of people who continually blame the white man for their failures. If some 15 year old kid today told me the reason he can't get a job is because of systematic discrimination against blacks that lasted 400 years, he would be wrong. If I took a look at black communities in the South and made the claim that the reason most of them live in poverty is systematic discrimination over the course of centuries, I would be right.

    The problem for people is in grasping that you can't explain why a single person is poor or rich based on what little you can gather about their family history. What can be explained is where the poverty in a specific group may come from. In American history, black poverty today is the consequence of 400 years of economic discrimination. It's not because blacks would rather be on welfare or because they'd rather be on the government's hand. It's simply because blacks in America have never had a culture of economic independence. We couldn't develop one. This was because we were told we weren't good enough to own businesses. We weren't good enough to get credit. We weren't good enough to get loans. It's a sad but it's a fact of life. Blacks have the 3rd oldest history in the Americas and yet we are extremely premature in socioeconomic terms.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Well, you seem to be harping on the Black Man's inability to transcend the "repression" which still exists because of slavery.
    No. That's not what I'm saying. At all. Read my post again.


    We now have an African-American president
    Yes and what? He's African American in the sense that his father is an actual African. You know, from Africa. He's not an 'African-American' like me or Blackdog. My ancestors were actual slaves and have a history in Africa. Obama's ancestors are from Africa. More importantly Kenya. A British colony with a completely different kind of discrimination and racial divisions.

    - I would say this is an example of transcending pretty well.
    And I would say you obviously have no idea what it is you're talking about.

    Obviously the Italian-Americans, Latin-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Anglo-Saxxon women have not been able to "transcend" the "repression" as effectively. And none of these groups were enslaved by Americans.
    I talk about socioeconomic factors, the denial of wealth accumulation for over 400 years and you refute that by saying that because Obama, an 'African-American', is president, none of these things are facts? Are you even remotely serious?

    You basically said the same thing in three paragraphs. Spare me the History lesson - I have a degree in that field.
    Do you? What year did you get your degree in? 1923? Because it seems you have trouble understanding simple concepts like 'wealth accumulation'.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I took a look at black communities in the South and made the claim that the reason most of them live in poverty is systematic discrimination over the course of centuries, I would be right.
    You would be right IF it were only the Black communities who were experiencing poverty. In case you haven't noticed, white communities in the South are disproportionately impoverished as well. I teach at a public school in the South where 20% of the student body is Black and yet 70% of the students qualify for free or reduced lunches.
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Good post. I actually agree.

    What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

    Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

    I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.
    Here we have it folks: some black people are sick of the black people for blaming others for their failures.

    In the realworld? Those same black folks that you are sick of for not being able to get over it and not being tow for the White Mans Way?

    If you are sick about the white man is holding me down mantra? Do something rather than bashing some white chick on the net that understands your History even better than you.

    I am sick of that kinda thinking AND GET WITH THE PROGRAM
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post




    Yes and what? He's African American in the sense that his father is an actual African. You know, from Africa. He's not an 'African-American' like me or Blackdog. My ancestors were actual slaves and have a history in Africa. Obama's ancestors are from Africa. More importantly Kenya. A British colony with a completely different kind of discrimination and racial divisions.


    He's still a Black man living in America. Ten years ago, how much of the public knew of Obama's African ancestry? Either he's Black or not....which is it? In the eyes of one who wishes to discriminate or repress do you think it matters where his lineage is from?
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    Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I am far more tired of people who say that there were no after effects to slavery than I am of people who continually blame the white man for their failures. If some 15 year old kid today told me the reason he can't get a job is because of systematic discrimination against blacks that lasted 400 years, he would be wrong. If I took a look at black communities in the South and made the claim that the reason most of them live in poverty is systematic discrimination over the course of centuries, I would be right.
    I agree, I am not talking about rural poverty for blacks in the deep south. I understand it is in part due to the effects of slavery and Jim Crow era laws. Those in urban settings in my opinion have no excuse anymore.

    In fact I have never really lived in any area's like that or studied it. So I can't even give an opinion as well versed as yours is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem for people is in grasping that you can't explain why a single person is poor or rich based on what little you can gather about their family history. What can be explained is where the poverty in a specific group may come from. In American history, black poverty today is the consequence of 400 years of economic discrimination. It's not because blacks would rather be on welfare or because they'd rather be on the government's hand.
    I have to disagree here. I lived in Ford Heights, Illinois, the poorest black community in the nation per capita at the time. Between the rampant drug use, gangs and places inside with names like "Little Vietnam" it was really bad. The thing that really killed me was to many of the people seemed proud of the "Wild West" reputation.

    We offered (through Christian charity's and grants) college and high school GED programs free. The attitude was why? Be it "the government owes me" or "my life is worth more than a five dollar an hour job." Most did not want to work or go to school. Had nothing to do with slavery, discrimination or Jim Crow. It was just bad attitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's simply because blacks in America have never had a culture of economic independence. We couldn't develop one. This was because we were told we weren't good enough to own businesses. We weren't good enough to get credit. We weren't good enough to get loans. It's a sad but it's a fact of life. Blacks have the 3rd oldest history in the Americas and yet we are extremely premature in socioeconomic terms.
    I agree this is a factor for some, but not most anymore.
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