View Poll Results: Do you have a right to drive and/or fly on an airplane?

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  • Yes you have a right to drive and a right to fly on an airplane.

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  • You have a right to drive but not a right to fly on an airplane.

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  • You do not have a right to drive but you do have a right to fly on an airplane.

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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Airlines are private companies, they have the right to refuse service,
    Except lately this argument has been brought up in an issue relating to government security, where airline rules/rights are moot [since the scope of the discussion is on the government agency].
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In the United States, anyway, you have the freedom to do anything which isn't a crime, and it's the government which has to justify its intrusion into your affairs.
    Flying a plane without a license is a crime. So is driving without a license. After a person proves through testing that they have the technological prowess to operate these vehicles while taking into consideration the safety of the others they share the road/skies with, they are given a certificate which allows them to exercise these skills freely and without legal reprimand.
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Flying a plane without a license is a crime. So is driving without a license.
    Only under certain circumstances.

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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Only under certain circumstances.
    Under which circumstances are you legally allowed to fly a plane without a license? I'm asking for more than some 24 scenario where the pilot dies and some guy needs to fly the plane or the black president dies.
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Flying a plane without a license is a crime. So is driving without a license. After a person proves through testing that they have the technological prowess to operate these vehicles while taking into consideration the safety of the others they share the road/skies with, they are given a certificate which allows them to exercise these skills freely and without legal reprimand.
    I'm pretty sure the topic here isn't the "right" to pilot a plane without a license.
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Under which circumstances are you legally allowed to fly a plane without a license?
    FAA licenses are needed only to fly certain aircraft to and from certain places.
    If you do not fly to/from an arifield that has a control tower, you do not need a license. You also do not need a FAA license when flying a military aircraft, or ultralights, et al.

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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm pretty sure the topic here isn't the "right" to pilot a plane without a license.
    If the conversation involves driving a car without a license, the results of it can also be applied to flying a plane without a license.
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    FAA licenses are needed only to fly certain aircraft to and from certain places.
    If you do not fly to/from an arifield that has a control tower, you do not need a license.
    You need a private pilot license to fly a plane regardless of whether or not there is a control tower.

    Pilot certification in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pilot certification in the United States is required for an individual to act as a pilot of an aircraft. It is regulated by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), a branch of the Department of Transportation (DOT). A pilot is certificated under the authority of Parts 61 and 141 of Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, also known as the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs).
    An FAA-issued pilot certificate is evidence that an individual is duly authorized to exercise piloting privileges. The pilot certificate is one of several kinds of airman certificates issued by the FAA.
    You also do not need a FAA license when flying a military aircraft, or ultralights, et al.
    That's because it's the military who provides certification. Correct? There is still a body that demands that you be qualified to operate such vehicles. Besides, it's not like you average guy would even know how start an F-16.
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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You need a private pilot license to fly a plane regardless of whether or not there is a control tower.
    Not every kind of airplane.
    And, if you look at something other than Wiki, you'll see the no-tower exception.
    I don't have a source for that particular exception; I'm telling you what several friends who have various pilot ratings tell me (of or which is a USAF LTC)


    That's because it's the military who provides certification. Correct?
    Its not a pilot's license, as you said.

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    Re: Right to drive - right to fly on an airplane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not every kind of airplane.
    Which airplanes?

    And, if you look at something other than Wiki, you'll see the no-tower exception.
    I checked the FAA, they seem to say the same thing as Wiki.

    What is an airworthiness certificate?
    An airworthiness certificate is an FAA document which grants authorization to operate an aircraft in flight.
    I'm not saying you're wrong but from what I see, if you're playing a plane, regardless of whether there is a tower or not, you need a license.

    Its not a pilot's license, as you said.
    Ah so the problem is the use of the word license? What would you call it? Qualification? Certificate? Legal Authorization? We're playing semantics.
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