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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't think a lighter sentence was warranted. had the victim been an infant would you think the same way?
    had the victim been an infant, properly restained in a carseat, it wouldn't have been killed.

    coulda, shoulda, woulda......the guy was charged and, just like everyone else, extenuating circumstances were taken into account during his sentencing.

    he was treated like everyone else who is involved in a car crash where someone dies.

    what????? do you want him to spend the rest of his life in prison for murder? would that make you "happy"?
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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    had the victim been an infant, properly restained in a carseat, it wouldn't have been killed.

    coulda, shoulda, woulda......the guy was charged and, just like everyone else, extenuating circumstances were taken into account during his sentencing.

    he was treated like everyone else who is involved in a car crash where someone dies.

    what????? do you want him to spend the rest of his life in prison for murder? would that make you "happy"?
    we have no way of knowing that. again, what if the victim was a frail old lady?

    and i never said he should spend the rest of his life in prison, just that he should get the same puishment as anyone else who accidently kills someone with their car. the victim's obesity is beside the point.

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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    we have no way of knowing that. again, what if the victim was a frail old lady?

    and i never said he should spend the rest of his life in prison, just that he should get the same puishment as anyone else who accidently kills someone with their car. the victim's obesity is beside the point.
    And why are you assuming that he didn't???
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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    we have no way of knowing that. again, what if the victim was a frail old lady?

    and i never said he should spend the rest of his life in prison, just that he should get the same puishment as anyone else who accidently kills someone with their car. the victim's obesity is beside the point.
    OK, how about this scenario: A guy accidentally rear-ends someone at a traffic light, causing a minor neck injury. Just to be safe, the victim calls an ambulance to go to the hospital...and on the way there, the ambulance is hit by a train, killing her. Should the guy who rear-ended her be charged with her death, just because his accident indirectly led to her death? No, of course not. At most, he should be charged with causing a minor neck injury. Same logic applies in THIS case. It wasn't his initial action that caused her death, it was a result of the subsequent rescue effort, which was entirely out of his control.
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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, how about this scenario: A guy accidentally rear-ends someone at a traffic light, causing a minor neck injury. Just to be safe, the victim calls an ambulance to go to the hospital...and on the way there, the ambulance is hit by a train, killing her. Should the guy who rear-ended her be charged with her death, just because his accident indirectly led to her death? No, of course not. At most, he should be charged with causing a minor neck injury. Same logic applies in THIS case. It wasn't his initial action that caused her death, it was a result of the rescue squad.
    no, it does not. you could argue the same thing if a person was hit by a car, thought they were okay, didn't see a doctor and later died of internal injuries. the person driving the car would still be culpable, as he caused the injury in the first place.

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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, it does not. you could argue the same thing if a person was hit by a car, thought they were okay, didn't see a doctor and later died of internal injuries. the person driving the car would still be culpable, as he caused the injury in the first place.
    Depends on the circumstances. If the victim's actions (e.g. not seeking medical attention) were to blame, then it's doubtful that the driver could be successfully prosecuted for the death. If the victim would have died anyway from the internal injuries, then the driver probably could be.

    It's difficult to prosecute someone for that sort of thing when the blame is shared, or when their actions only indirectly contributed to a person's death. Obviously we can't start playing Seven-Steps-To-Kevin-Bacon with wrongful death prosecutions. Just about EVERYONE has done something that has probably contributed to someone else's death...usually without even knowing it.
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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Depends on the circumstances. If the victim's actions (e.g. not seeking medical attention) were to blame, then it's doubtful that the driver could be successfully prosecuted for the death. If the victim would have died anyway from the internal injuries, then the driver probably could be.

    It's difficult to prosecute someone for that sort of thing when the blame is shared, or when their actions only indirectly contributed to a person's death. Obviously we can't start playing Seven-Steps-To-Kevin-Bacon with wrongful death prosecutions. Just about EVERYONE has done something that has probably contributed to someone else's death...usually without even knowing it.
    the woman died as a result of being hit by the car, didn't she? if she hadn't been hit, she wouldn't have died, right? i think it's that simple. there could be all kinds of extenuating circumstances, but does that make him any less responsible?

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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    there could be all kinds of extenuating circumstances, but does that make him any less responsible?
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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    imo it does not. her death was a consequence of his actions. again, i don't think he should spend life in prision, but i'm not sure the sentence was appropriate.

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    Re: lighter sentence because the lady was fat

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the woman died as a result of being hit by the car, didn't she? if she hadn't been hit, she wouldn't have died, right? i think it's that simple. there could be all kinds of extenuating circumstances, but does that make him any less responsible?
    if she hadn't been so fat, she wouldn't have died. by all accounts, her injuries were survivable had she gotten to a hospital in time.

    what if instead of being fat, she'd had a bomb in her car and the accident caused it to go off killing her. would the guy who hit her be responsible?

    courts take extenuating circumstances into account for a reason. no two cases are exactly the same. do you really want cookie cutter justice for every crime?
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