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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane? Which of the following is okay with you, what is the limit in which you give up your 4th amendment rights?


    Invasive pat downs
    Non invasive pat downs.
    Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.
    Real strip searches.
    Cavity search.
    Walking through a metal detector.
    other
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-18-10 at 02:22 PM.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    invasive pat downs
    Non invasive pat downs.
    subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.
    Cavity search.
    walking through a metal detector.
    other
    Of course, you know your options are loaded. I don't have to tell you that.

    So, I'll change them to suit myself. ;-)

    Metal detector....everybody.
    X-Ray of all carry-ons....everybody.
    Additional screening based upon profiling:
    Full body scan or --
    A pat down as done by police officers when searching for weapons, sans the cavity search.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Of course, you know your options are loaded. I don't have to tell you that.

    So, I'll change them to suit myself. ;-)

    Metal detector....everybody.
    X-Ray of all carry-ons....everybody.
    Additional screening based upon profiling:
    Full body scan or --
    A pat down as done by police officers when searching for weapons, sans the cavity search.
    How are my options loaded? Are you saying those things are false? Are you saying the full body scans are not virutal strip searches and that you are not being subjected to radiation? Are you saying the pat downs are not invasive? Or do you just want more politically correct language to justify those things?
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-18-10 at 02:27 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How are my options loaded? Are you saying those things are false? Are you saying the full body scans are not virutal strip searches and that you are not being subjected to radiation? Are you saying the pat downs are not invasive? Or do you just want more politically correct language to justify those things?
    I'd like the emotion taken out of them, JamesRage. I'm not going to argue sematics with you. Disregard what I said. You have my answer.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd like the emotion taken out of them, JamesRage. I'm not going to argue sematics with you. Disregard what I said. You have my answer.
    So you are saying that when you walk through a full body scanner that you are not being subjected to a virtual strip search and radiation and that the pat downs are not evasive? What do you have against calling a spade a spade? It seems that if call it what it is then more and more people will be against such things. Perhaps that is why you are against calling a spade a spade.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-18-10 at 02:37 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    We had more than enough searching of passengers twenty years ago. Those who are truly dedicated to smuggling things can and always will succeed, and the common idiot is deterred from trying. For those who cite 9/11 as a good reason to expand airport security, the honest truth is that it won't happen again. And it has nothing to do with security. If faced with a hijacker armed with a box cutter, passengers will not longer sit by and wait to be ransomed. They will fight back violently. Simply locking the door to the cockpit and making passengers aware that they need to fight back is all the expanded security we need.

    We can't catch every possible person who may not be wanted on an airplane, and attempting to do so grossly infringes on our privacy and our freedoms. All of the fear mongering doesn't help us live safer lives. It just makes us more easily pressured to give up even more rights. Nor should we be singling out Arab-looking people to mess with. Most people are innocent, regardless of skin color or religion. Most terrorist acts in the US were committed by white Americans, not foreigners.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I don't really mind the regular metal detectors, although I doubt they do much good. Anything more invasive than that is silly. I ride the metro every day without passing through any security checkpoints whatsoever, and so far no one has tried to kill me.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Metal detector. That is all I would accept.

    If the thing beeps more than once then I would accept being patted down by a officer of the same sex as long as they are aware that no fondling or groping is on the cards

    Edit: The one thing I would never accept is that full body scan. Too far
    I'll take my chances with the terrorists especially considering I have a higher chance of being run over
    Last edited by Laila; 11-18-10 at 03:34 PM.


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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Just because I know I'm innocent does not mean that someone who has never met me before knows 100% that I am innocent. The last time I was at the airport a TSA officer asked me to step aside to further search my bag, and I thought nothing of it. I'm happy he was doing his job. As for pat downs, I'm not one to be super sensitive about a professional person just doing their job. I wouldn't object to a pat down from a police officer to prove I'm no danger, and I would not object to a TSA officer either. And the same thing goes for the "virtually strip searched machines". What's the big freaking deal? Are people that sensitive about others seeing their silver parts? I can understand some people having religious complaints, but otherwise I just don't get why people are so sensitive about their anonymous silver junk being seen on a TV screen for 15-20 seconds by a professional TSA officer.
    Last edited by Jucon; 11-18-10 at 03:31 PM.
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