View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resist the gov. View Post
    Because the full body scanners give you a very unhealthy dose of radiation that is why pilots are now refusing to go through them, and I wouldnt call feeling up someones "groan" or breasts a professional search. The reason they do the pat downs is to scare the public into using the body scanners.
    Oh god get a grip would you? The reason they do the pat downs is to scare people into using the body scanners? Are you SERIOUS? They've been doing pat downs longer than you've been alive. Hell longer than anyone on this planet period has been alive. Geeze get a grip why don't ya.

    As for the radiation giving an unhealthy dose of radiation....try again.

    Experts Say Radiation Fears From Full-Body Scans Unfounded

    If you want I can post many many more articles on it that state pretty much the same thing.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Tell you what Cor... next time the TSA fails to stop a shoe or underwear bomber on your flight & they go BOOM... come back and tell us how it was their right to fly unimpeded by the TSA.
    I'm pretty sure those cases ended with the dudes on the plane...not having been caught by TSA.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How does it harm you in any way to have to go through a scanner? How is it a violation of rights to have a professional search you for dangerous materials in a day and age where our safety is threatened? There is nothing wrong with full body scanners and searches.
    4th amendment.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    4th amendment.
    4th Amendment does not apply as you gave your permission the moment you tried to go through the security check point to get onto the plane.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    4th Amendment does not apply as you gave your permission the moment you tried to go through the security check point to get onto the plane.
    No I didn't. That's like saying I can be ass ****ed by TSA because I "gave my permission the moment I tried to go through the security check point". There are still limits on what the government may or may not do.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No I didn't. That's like saying I can be ass ****ed by TSA because I "gave my permission the moment I tried to go through the security check point". There are still limits on what the government may or may not do.
    Yeah, but any issue is between the government and the airline, not between the government and the passenger.

    The government can order a full cavity search and it is not a violation of the 4th because you consent to the search when you buy your ticket and get on the plane knowing full well what awaits you. Any 4th amendment right is waived by consent.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yeah, but any issue is between the government and the airline, not between the government and the passenger.

    The government can order a full cavity search and it is not a violation of the 4th because you consent to the search when you buy your ticket and get on the plane knowing full well what awaits you. Any 4th amendment right is waived by consent.
    No, there are always limitations. It can clearly say on the ticket that people will be randomly subjected to ass rape; but it doesn't mean that they will be able to do it. Government is always limited. There are reasonable proceedures which can occur. Weapon check, XRay luggage, metal detector. If those happen to turn something up, further investigation can occur. But there are still limitations, the government is always limited.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, there are always limitations. It can clearly say on the ticket that people will be randomly subjected to ass rape; but it doesn't mean that they will be able to do it. Government is always limited. There are reasonable proceedures which can occur. Weapon check, XRay luggage, metal detector. If those happen to turn something up, further investigation can occur. But there are still limitations, the government is always limited.
    I'm not sure where you're going with this. Sure it's limited, but the limitations are an issue between the government and the airline. If the airline agrees to a full cavity search for every passenger, then that's something every passenger, by buying a ticket and boarding the plane, is agreeing to. The purchase of the ticket creates a contract and the passenger is held to whatever security measures were predetermined by the airline and government. That's just the way it works. There is no fourth amendment issue here, because the fourth amendment only comes up when it is the government performing the search on an nonconsenting party.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Have you not been reading my posts? I have already stated that we cannot prevent all terrorist attacks. What one man builds another can tear down. One of my favorite sayings. In any case as I have already stated...Just because they can always find a way around security measures does not mean that we give up and stop trying to stop find better ways to stop them.
    Actually it does. Or more specifically, it means that we should try to identify terrorists, rather than trying to identify terrorists who happen to have explosives in their underwear at the airport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Actually as I am sure that you know airport security and the measures taken there are just ONE of the ways that is used to stop terrorism. They also have detectives that go out in search of them, just like regular cops go out to find murderers. With that being the case then of course it isn't silly.
    Yes it is. It's still a complete waste of money, as terrorists can very easily blow up something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    As for what a terrorist is more concerned with, the place of their activity or the carnage they cause, the answer is both are equally important to them. Do you really think that the 9/11 hijackers picked the twin towers and the Pentagon out of thin air?
    OK, so what do you think terrorists would achieve by specifically bombing an airplane, as opposed to anything else? They could kill just as many people on a metro. They could shut down air travel just as easily by blowing themselves up in the security line at the airport. Etc, etc.

    No terrorist is going to be dissuaded from committing an act of terrorism just because we installed nudie booths at the airport. He'll just change his method/target, making it a completely worthless security measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    One time? Or are you just saying one time for a group that did us damage? Because there is a BIG difference between that and the amount of hijackings that are committed.
    Number of hijackings committed since 9/11 - Zero.
    Number of successful terrorist attacks on aircraft since 9/11 - Zero.
    Number of failed terrorist attacks since 9/11 thwarted by the TSA - Zero.
    Number of failed terrorist attacks since 9/11 thwarted by passengers - Two.
    Number of flights originating in United States since 9/11 - About 250 million.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    The rest of your post is nothing more than fear mongering. Not worth responding to as both you and I know that none if it will ever come to pass. If it did pass in congress you would be 100% certain that those particular politicians would be voted out ASAP. And politicians are too greedy to want that to happen.
    What makes you think they would be voted out? There are people here justifying nudie booths to keep us safe from terrorists. I'm quite sure that there would be a large contingent of people defending these other gross affronts to our civil liberties too, if our government ever wanted to implement them. And you'd probably be among them.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    We need to drop back to the pre 9/11 levels of airline passenger security. If flying isn't a right, why can't we look at it like this: Instead of saying "you must submit to whatever the TSA wishes to use upon you to board a passenger aircraft." Why not say: "We're dropping back the security measures. If you're too afraid to fly, just remember that flying is not a right. You have the right to use other methods of transportation".

    The rest of us will proclaim loudly, that the terrorists have in fact not won, and board the damn airplane.

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