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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I hate to belabor this point, BUT. You have no inherent right to fly. Even if you own the airplane, own the airport and employ the pilot, you are still subject to regulation. Don't follow those regulations, and you don't fly. In the case of commercial airlines, your "right to fly" is predicated on an airline selling you a ticket, which it may or may not do at its discretion provided it does not discriminate on the basis of anything covered in the Civil Rights Act and as states have further expanded that Act; it's predicated on you following the rules and regs of the airport; it's predicated on you following inflight rules, and, now, the regulations of the TSA. Follow those rules, and you're good to go. Don't follow them? Don't fly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    No, flying is NOT a right. Airlines are not required to allow you on their planes if they don't want to.

    TRAVEL, is a right. HOW you travel is a choice or privilege.
    So how exactly do you Constitutional scholars interpret the Ninth Amendment? I'd love to hear you weigh in on it.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So what would you do if Congress passed a law saying you could no longer drive a car or use any sort of public transportation? Since you seem to think you have no such right, you'd just shrug and accept it, making smartass remarks to the non-subservient who dare to complain along the way?
    PUBLIC transportation, if available, is a right.
    PRIVATE transportation, such as your own car, is a right.

    PRIVATE transportation, such as an airplane you do not own, is NOT a right.

    The 9th amendment does not guarantee me the right to fly on any plane I want, if the owner of that plane doesn't want me there. It is not illegal nor un constitutional for me, as an airline, to refuse to allow you to board my plane, unless you're a member of a 'protected' class.

    Your 9th amendment argument sucks.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So how exactly do you Constitutional scholars interpret the Ninth Amendment? I'd love to hear you weigh in on it.
    I'd much rather you explain in DETAIL why the 9th amendment guarantees you the right to fly on my Cesna if I don't want you there.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So how exactly do you Constitutional scholars interpret the Ninth Amendment? I'd love to hear you weigh in on it.
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    I'd interpret it this way:

    The Ninth Amendment shall not be construed to grant or retain every single thing a person could possibly do in this world as being "their right."
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    PUBLIC transportation, if available, is a right.
    PRIVATE transportation, such as your own car, is a right.

    PRIVATE transportation, such as an airplane you do not own, is NOT a right.

    The 9th amendment does not guarantee me the right to fly on any plane I want, if the owner of that plane doesn't want me there. It is not illegal nor un constitutional for me, as an airline, to refuse to allow you to board my plane, unless you're a member of a 'protected' class.

    Your 9th amendment argument sucks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I'd much rather you explain in DETAIL why the 9th amendment guarantees you the right to fly on my Cesna if I don't want you there.
    I never said anything about the Ninth Amendment applying to private property.

    Your reading skills suck.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
    As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
    Funny... doesn't say HOW you have a right to travel, or that you have a right to travel in a particular manner or by a particular means of conveyance... just that you have the right to travel.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd interpret it this way:



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    I see. So what are a person's rights?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I never said anything about the Ninth Amendment applying to private property.

    Your reading skills suck.
    Coronado, all airplanes are private property. And as to those that are owned by government, well, I'd like ta' see ya' get a ticket to ride on one of those.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    Funny... doesn't say HOW you have a right to travel, or that you have a right to travel in a particular manner or by a particular means of conveyance... just that you have the right to travel.
    Do you understand the difference between positive law and natural rights?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Coronado, all airplanes are private property. And as to those that are owned by government, well, I'd like ta' see ya' get a ticket to ride on one of those.
    In the context of the TSA argument, it is the state infringing upon the right in question, not the private entity.

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