View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I challenge you to prove that the government owns any airport beyond that of military bases and is used by thousands of private civilians.
    The government owns the TSA, which are the ones who are implementing the searches. The airports don't have a choice as to whether or not the TSA is operating in them. Therefore, it is the government who is forcing the searches. And the government is bound by the Constitution.

    Unless you know of a US airport that TSA doesn't have jurisdiction in?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The government owns the TSA, which are the ones who are implementing the searches. The airports don't have a choice as to whether or not the TSA is operating in them. Therefore, it is the government who is forcing the searches. And the government is bound by the Constitution.

    Unless you know of a US airport that TSA doesn't have jurisdiction in?
    Which is all the reason to get the state out of the airports. Let the airports handle their own security
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The government owns the TSA, which are the ones who are implementing the searches. The airports don't have a choice as to whether or not the TSA is operating in them. Therefore, it is the government who is forcing the searches. And the government is bound by the Constitution.

    Unless you know of a US airport that TSA doesn't have jurisdiction in?
    Bolded part: This is true but was not what my challenge was about. It was stated that the government owns airports. I wanted proof.

    Also it is only a violation if you are forced to go through the security checkpoints by the government. You are not forced to go through by the government. You are quite free to take an alternative method of transportation.

    Also the TSA does not have jurisdiction over any airport that does not fly across borders.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    My dad came up with the idea that we should just stop beating around the bush with these silly pat downs and that everyone should be stripped down and gassed for the duration of the flight.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bolded part: This is true but was not what my challenge was about. It was stated that the government owns airports. I wanted proof.

    Also it is only a violation if you are forced to go through the security checkpoints by the government. You are not forced to go through by the government. You are quite free to take an alternative method of transportation.

    Also the TSA does not have jurisdiction over any airport that does not fly across borders.
    Which is like saying that as long as the police are conducting unreasonable searches, without warrants, in private businesses, then it is legal since the people can choose not to go to those businesses. Would it be constitutional for the government to force all bars to have friskers (police officers that completely frisk every patron of entering/exiting the bar) to ensure that they aren't carrying a gun or knife? It is, afterall, the person's choice to enter the bar or not.

    It doesn't matter if the government's activity is taking place on private property. And, in this case, it is not like those who own that private property (the airport owners) can actually object to the government activities and/or refuse to allow the government to do their searches.

    And, I did catch what your argument was, I just felt that you were arguing a technicality, since the TSA has authority over the airport, despite it being private property.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is like saying that as long as the police are conducting unreasonable searches, without warrants, in private businesses, then it is legal since the people can choose not to go to those businesses. Would it be constitutional for the government to force all bars to have friskers (police officers that completely frisk every patron of entering/exiting the bar) to ensure that they aren't carrying a gun or knife? It is, afterall, the person's choice to enter the bar or not.
    The government can only apply such things to business establishment that cross borders. If a buisness establishment doesn't cross borders then it has no jurisdiction. They could by rights apply the TSA procedures to forms of mass transportation such as buses and trains.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter if the government's activity is taking place on private property. And, in this case, it is not like those who own that private property (the airport owners) can actually object to the government activities and/or refuse to allow the government to do their searches.
    Actually they could. And frankly I am surprised that no airport hasn't yet. I would dearly love to see an airport take the government to court over the TSA. The only way that I could see them loseing is that the government controls air space and as such can control who goes up into that air space. I actually liken it to that of the whole net neutrality debate.

    But point of fact is that every time an individual has brought up the constitutionality of what the TSA does in a court of law the court has always sided with the TSA. Every single time they refered to implied consent.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, I did catch what your argument was, I just felt that you were arguing a technicality, since the TSA has authority over the airport, despite it being private property.
    The TSA doesn't have authority over the airport beyond safety regulations. And lets face it...practically every aspect of any type of business is regulated for safety concerns. The government excells at regulation based on "safety".
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    They need to hurry along with sedated flying compartments 5th Element style before I'll remotely entertain the idea of stepping on a plane.
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