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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how terrorist have used everything from bicycles to trains to blow up people you are not the least bit worried that this would set a precedent for other modes of transportation?




    I find it disturbing for people to be accustomed to forking over their rights. These things are a blatant violation of the constitution.
    hmm interesting, problem is when I go to the airport im not forking over any rights nor do they violate the constitution.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    hmm interesting, problem is when I go to the airport im not forking over any rights nor do they violate the constitution.
    You do not think being subjected to a strip search or a invasive pat down when you have not been arrested is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment?


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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    And to make things worse, the TSA is not even very effective:
    Gaping Holes in Airline Security: Loaded Gun Slips Past TSA Screeners
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do not think being subjected to a strip search or a invasive pat down when you have not been arrested is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment?
    nope because I could always not fly, pretty simple
    if I want to fly I have to take the precaustions, the ones I know I have to take.

    Standing in line knowing, volunteering and waiting for these things to happen isnt a blantant violation of anyting LOL

    now if someone kicked in my door for no reason and forced these on me then yes that is in general a violation of many things, but the TSA is not because you can choose not to fly


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
    and this means what they are secure, if you are gonna play sucj silly games with this verbaige then you could argue all saftey precasutions around the the country.

    everyone knows this is going to happen at the airport so if they choose to fly they agree to it so there is no violation lol nothing is being forced
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Are you serious?

    No violation?

    So if a cop says, "You need to be kicked in the balls to exit your home" for example, your choice to not go through it means it is not a rights violation to do so?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Are you serious?

    No violation?

    So if a cop says, "You need to be kicked in the balls to exit your home" for example, your choice to not go through it means it is not a rights violation to do so?

    Centrist my ass.
    LMAO
    what does YOUR example of leaving your house and you choosing to fly commercially?
    oh thats right NOTHING that might be the dumbest, most worthless, irrelevant example I have ever seen.

    its no violation
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    hmm interesting, problem is when I go to the airport im not forking over any rights nor do they violate the constitution.
    Did you, as a taxpayer, provide more then 1 cent towards the building and / or operation of that airport??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    LMAO
    what does YOUR example of leaving your house and you choosing to fly commercially?
    oh thats right NOTHING that might be the dumbest, most worthless, irrelevant example I have ever seen.

    its no violation
    What's the limit then?? How far before it becomes a 'violation'?? Do they have to MURDER people before it's a violation?? Or are you going to say that they can do that because it's 'your choice'...

    Rights are NOT delineated by CHOICE.

    You have the right to be secure in your PERSONS and your property against unreasonable search and seizure. Now, the metal detectors were SPECIFICALLY designed not to touch a person and setting off the alarm provided 'justification' for a further search, a quick pat-down / wand down. This was determined to be 'reasonable'...

    Now, if you're talking in the sense that this hasn't been challenged constitutionally then you WOULD have a point, but that's not the point you're making... you're making the point that TSA goon squads are above the law. That's it that's all...and if you can't see that... well... god bless you.

    The bottom line :
    - Unwanted touch is assault.
    - Unwanted touch over the clothes of the private areas is an arrestable misdemeanor.
    - Unwanted touch UNDER the clothes is SEXUAL ASSAULT and under any normal circumstance would see the person charged and put in jail for 5-10 years + mandatory registration as a sex offender.

    That's for everyone, including if you've gone through the 2 hour training session to be a TSA agent and got your plastic badge. A COP, is NOT allowed to touch anyone like that if there isn't very SPECIFC and VERY limited circumstances.

    Also, any radiation is bad... these scanners are NOT enough to cause any damage from a single scan, BUT your REFUSAL to be put through that machine DOES NOT provide justification for the further search... that's been legal precedent forever.

    A cop cannot walk up to you and say 'let me search your bags'... and you ask for probable cause to search and he tells you, well, your refusal to let me IS probable cause... THAT is unconstitutional.

    I don't know what kind of banana republic you aspire to live in, but you should be ashamed to think of yourself as american if you honestly believe that people should succumb to harassment or worse in order to travel.

    How about we just go right back 500 years and reinstate primae noctis?? Would that be freedom enough for your liking???

    God I wish all you anti-american scum would just move to china or the koreas where you don't have these pesky rights... then EVERYONE would be happier.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Did you, as a taxpayer, provide more then 1 cent towards the building and / or operation of that airport??
    yes I would imagine so as it should and as I see no impact to this



    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    What's the limit then?? How far before it becomes a 'violation'?? Do they have to MURDER people before it's a violation?? Or are you going to say that they can do that because it's 'your choice'...
    wow the "slippery slope" argument has this ever won a debate lol sorry you dont like it dont fly its pretty simple but for the ost part yes if you CHOOSE just about anything then your rights arent being violated. Thats just common sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Rights are NOT delineated by CHOICE.
    actually they very well can be, so if i decline my right to a lawyer they give me one anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You have the right to be secure in your PERSONS and your property against unreasonable search and seizure.
    yes you do, but since its not forced and not your plane or property you will be taking your persons on, theres a threat that many lives could be lost and the people are at danger thats right is NOT being violated

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Now, the metal detectors were SPECIFICALLY designed not to touch a person and setting off the alarm provided 'justification' for a further search, a quick pat-down / wand down. This was determined to be 'reasonable'...
    yeaaaaa for metal detectors in which the people that run the plan have determined not enough by itself so MORE detection is needed and reasonable but like I said since you volunteer reasonable is out the window

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Now, if you're talking in the sense that this hasn't been challenged constitutionally then you WOULD have a point, but that's not the point you're making... you're making the point that TSA goon squads are above the law. That's it that's all...and if you can't see that... well... god bless you.
    no thats the point you are trying to make up to make yourself feel right about your wrong opinion
    TSA is not above the law, they cant come to your house and force you to do anything but they do get to search you if YOU choose to fly

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The bottom line :
    - Unwanted touch is assault.
    - Unwanted touch over the clothes of the private areas is an arrestable misdemeanor.
    - Unwanted touch UNDER the clothes is SEXUAL ASSAULT and under any normal circumstance would see the person charged and put in jail for 5-10 years + mandatory registration as a sex offender.
    what type of fantasy world do you live in? yes this is true when it is FORCED but it since it isnt you have no leg to stand on. its a waste to keep saying unless you think it will make it true LOL but it wont

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That's for everyone, including if you've gone through the 2 hour training session to be a TSA agent and got your plastic badge. A COP, is NOT allowed to touch anyone like that if there isn't very SPECIFC and VERY limited circumstances.
    unless of course you agree to those searches which you do when you choose to fly lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Also, any radiation is bad... these scanners are NOT enough to cause any damage from a single scan, BUT your REFUSAL to be put through that machine DOES NOT provide justification for the further search... that's been legal precedent forever.
    they deemed it does to protect us all

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    A cop cannot walk up to you and say 'let me search your bags'... and you ask for probable cause to search and he tells you, well, your refusal to let me IS probable cause... THAT is unconstitutional.
    you are correct, to bad your example has NOTHING to do with whats going on at the airport lol
    nice meaningless point though

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I don't know what kind of banana republic you aspire to live in, but you should be ashamed to think of yourself as american if you honestly believe that people should succumb to harassment or worse in order to travel. .
    I live in REALITY and the reality is if I dont like those things I dont have to fly and when I fly I KNOW those things are going to happen and they happen to try and help protect me so im not ashamed one bit because im not a drama queen and I dont view it has "harassment" at all LMAO


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    How about we just go right back 500 years and reinstate primae noctis?? Would that be freedom enough for your liking???
    another meaningless point LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    God I wish all you anti-american scum would just move to china or the koreas where you don't have these pesky rights... then EVERYONE would be happier.
    yeah I know how could I possible think that I shouldnt be able to force my views on others, and stupid me for hoping the airways become safer and we have less dange flying LMAO

    man so anti-american I am, I should call people names like scum and want them thrown out the country that would make me a real american
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    LMAO
    what does YOUR example of leaving your house and you choosing to fly commercially?
    oh thats right NOTHING that might be the dumbest, most worthless, irrelevant example I have ever seen.

    its no violation
    It's called a ****ing example, and just because you say it isn't a violation in of itself doesn't make it so.

    A lot of good points have been made by Mcfly that you seem to either not understand or missed all together. For example, we have continually given examples as to how choice or a lack therefore has nothing to do whether a specific act is or is not a rights violation.

    As for not flying, again, it is not as simple as you make it seem - people who work on business often need to fly, if you have to travel long distances over land - or over water especially, and do so quickly, you need to fly.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    It's called a ****ing example, and just because you say it isn't a violation in of itself doesn't make it so.
    I know an example that has absolutley now bearing on anything being discussed here lol
    if its a violation tell me how then


    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    A lot of good points have been made by Mcfly that you seem to either not understand or missed all together. For example, we have continually given examples as to how choice or a lack therefore has nothing to do whether a specific act is or is not a rights violation.
    actually nobody did that choice has a direct impact lolI understood them all he didnt and neither do you.

    For example if a cop asks to search me without cause and I say no, he cant.
    BUT
    If he asks to search me without cause and i say YES and he finds something guess what? I GAVE UP MY RIGHT BY CHOICE lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    As for not flying, again, it is not as simple as you make it seem - people who work on business often need to fly, if you have to travel long distances over land - or over water especially, and do so quickly, you need to fly.
    You are correct you may need to fly but flying is not a right so therefore the point is moot.
    I may need to drive but they arent forced to give me a license. there are rules and requirments to get one.

    I fly often due to my work, never foriegn but all over the US. I understand that there are RULES and REQUIRMENTS to fly and if I dont like those rules I dont get to fly. pretty simple actually
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