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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well why not? I mean, they're here to keep us safe so why should we even consider questioning their methods and authority. Just accept it, turn your head and cough, and move along.
    Was that sarcasm?!?!?! Only al-quaida does that... you're not with al-quaida are you?!?!

    The sad thing is that with the Scared ****less crowd you can't tell how far down the rabbit hole we'll have to go before they start to look around at what they've been excusing.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What would be the profile criteria?
    The profile criteria would depend on intelligence of current threats which, of course, would be classified.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Let the private industries use any means they deem necessary, including profiling, to identify them. Eventually, passengers will gravitate towards the airlines with the best security policies OR they will gravitate towards airplanes where they don't get groped on the way in. It's pretty simple if you just let the consumer control it.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?
    A fair yet competitive price, maybe a long line if it's during the travel season.....yeah that's just about it.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    everybody should have to go through a metal detector and everybody's carry ons should be subjected to an x-ray.

    profiling is not the answer. radiation and pat downs are not the answer. what's so wrong with intelligence gathering combined with a sensible use of metal detectors, baggage screening and bomb-sniffing dogs? 9/11 took 3,000 lives and some large buildings and yes that's just horrible. that's what the terrorists did. since then, in the name of defending "freedom and our way of life", our own government has done so much more to remove our rights from us than the actual terrorists. it's bull****.

    people will say ''well don't fly on a plane then if you don't want to be subjected to the new measures, but where does it end? what about the subways? how is a bomb on a plane any worse than one on the subway? if you don't want to be scanned or felt up are we going to one day be told don't ride a train. don't ride a bus?

    if the government is so concerned about my safety, why are they so selective about when to enforce additional measures to "ensure" it? such a crock of ****.

    the other day the FAA reported that "they are missing key information on who owns one-third of the 357,000 private and commercial aircraft in the U.S. — a gap the agency fears could be exploited by terrorists and drug traffickers". that's 119,000 aircraft.

    let's not worry about that though.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    people will say ''well don't fly on a plane then if you don't want to be subjected to the new measures, but where does it end? what about the subways? how is a bomb on a plane any worse than one on the subway? if you don't want to be scanned or felt up are we going to one day be told don't ride a train. don't ride a bus?

    if the government is so concerned about my safety, why are they so selective about when to enforce additional measures to "ensure" it? such a crock of ****.
    Just a point of interest for you. Subways do not cross borders so are not subject to federal oversight. That would be the states job.

    As for trains...they probably don't consider them as big a threat since a train can only go where the tracks take em. A plane however can go in any direction and can be flown into more things than just the end of the line train station. As such planes have the potential to cause far more damage than any train possibly could.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just a point of interest for you. Subways do not cross borders so are not subject to federal oversight. That would be the states job.

    As for trains...they probably don't consider them as big a threat since a train can only go where the tracks take em. A plane however can go in any direction and can be flown into more things than just the end of the line train station. As such planes have the potential to cause far more damage than any train possibly could.
    a wise man once said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." i guess my point is that planes aren't the only thing that have potential to cause large loss of life.

    there's over 2000 people on each Washington State Ferry at rush hour. that's an awful lot of people. no pat downs or scans required for them. airports though, well that's a whole different ballgame apparently.

    it's all about the fear. the terrorists have won. they must be laughing their asses off.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    a wise man once said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." i guess my point is that planes aren't the only thing that have potential to cause large loss of life.

    there's over 2000 people on each Washington State Ferry at rush hour. that's an awful lot of people. no pat downs or scans required for them. airports though, well that's a whole different ballgame apparently.

    it's all about the fear. the terrorists have won. they must be laughing their asses off.
    Again, a ferry does not cross borders. The feds can only do something if it crosses borders.

    And you only give up your liberty if you voluntarily go through the airport security. The choice is yours. You are in no way forced to go through an airport security checkpoint.

    I agree with you that there are other things that have the potential to cause large loss of life. But life isn't the only things that must be weighed in this situation.

    Is it cost effective to place X type of security for X purpose?
    Is it feasible to place X type of security for X purpose?
    What is the potential dangers of ________?
    What is the potential cost of the aforementioned dangers?
    Can those aforementioned dangers shut down great swaths of the country? The whole country? (In this case airplanes most certainly can)

    And probably many more questions that I can't think of off the top of my head.

    I could name you several ways of hurting the US, quite possible crippleing it for at least a couple of months, and none of them have to do with any sort of transporation. Does that mean that airport security should be lessened though? IMO, no.

    And if you think that the terrorists have won I would suggest that you take a look at the Constitution of the United States. It is still there and it is still followed. Albeit the interpretations of various clauses in it have changed, but that's been happening long before 9/11. Long before Pearl Harbor even.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again, a ferry does not cross borders. The feds can only do something if it crosses borders.

    And you only give up your liberty if you voluntarily go through the airport security. The choice is yours. You are in no way forced to go through an airport security checkpoint.

    I agree with you that there are other things that have the potential to cause large loss of life. But life isn't the only things that must be weighed in this situation.

    Is it cost effective to place X type of security for X purpose?
    Is it feasible to place X type of security for X purpose?
    What is the potential dangers of ________?
    What is the potential cost of the aforementioned dangers?
    Can those aforementioned dangers shut down great swaths of the country? The whole country? (In this case airplanes most certainly can)

    And probably many more questions that I can't think of off the top of my head.

    I could name you several ways of hurting the US, quite possible crippleing it for at least a couple of months, and none of them have to do with any sort of transporation. Does that mean that airport security should be lessened though? IMO, no.

    And if you think that the terrorists have won I would suggest that you take a look at the Constitution of the United States. It is still there and it is still followed. Albeit the interpretations of various clauses in it have changed, but that's been happening long before 9/11. Long before Pearl Harbor even.
    At least one of those Washington ferries however, does pull in within about 200 ft from US government property. In fact, a few travel the same channels of many, many USN ships, including several nuclear powered ships. Imagine how much damage someone could cause from just one of those ferries getting hijacked to attempt to take out one of our nuclear powered vessels, and if they actually succeeded. Even if they didn't succeed, it would be most likely because our own Navy ship was forced to take out a ferry full of passengers. I can think of several reasons that it would be within the government's interest to be more secure with those ferries, but there is almost no security, and absolutely nothing compared to airlines. And unlike airplanes, those ferries carry cars.

    And as for your questions, it must be taken into account what actually prevented the people from succeeding in any of those plots that each new security measure that we see was meant to prevent. Was it the security measures in the airport or was it the work of investigators finding out about the plan?

    I, personally, do not feel "safer" from the increased security measures in airports. I know that the terrorists know what security measures are in place, so they are either going to figure a way around those security measures or, more likely, target something that is much less secure. Why subject myself to such security just to get to the city I'm going to safe, if someone takes out the airport in that place or the ferry that I have to take to get to where I'm going (the next time that I am supposed to fly, for my AT time with the Navy reserve, I will be taking the ferry from Seattle to Bremerton to get to the base) or the city bus that gets me around?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    The questions are worded so as to elicit specific responses by those taking the poles. The questions need to be rewritten so as to not demonstrate specific bias.

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