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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show me where you have the right to order an airline to take you anywhere. Show me anywhere that we the people have retained that flying is a right. Try again, thanks.
    Same place it says you have the right to drink Pepsi, watch television, or masturbate to midget porn.

    I know you labor under the misapprehension that this is a positive law system, but it isn't. The Ninth Amendment pretty clearly demolishes that argument.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So people thought that we wouldn't be attacked after Pearl Harbor...and 60 years later, a completely different group of people use a completely different method to attack a completely different target. Oook.

    Yes, you're right. Odds are someone will eventually succeed at attacking us again...most likely through some creative new method. That has what to do with airport security?
    Obviously it does since 9/11 happened. And it doesn't have to be through a creative new method. Sometimes old tricks are better than new tricks. Also I used pearl harbor as an example. Nothing more. There have been attacks since then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, it's the equivalent of sending the entire police force to stand on guard 24/7 around the house of a recent murder victim, to make sure that no one ELSE is murdered in that same house.
    Your analogy would work better if you expanded on it to include the whole country since there are thousands of planes with thousands of flights going to a thousand different destinations...oh wait don't we have cops that patrol, stand guard and arrest criminals 24/7/365?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This argument is such bull****. You could make the same argument to justify government snooping in virtually ANY activity that people engage in. You don't explicitly have the right to make phone calls, use the library, walk down a street without being watched, drive an automobile, or to have surgery without having a GPS chip implanted under your skin.

    This is exactly why we have a 9th Amendment. So that people DON'T interpret rights in such a rigid way. Not to mention it's a complete violation of the 4th Amendment.
    Actually no it's not bull. While you don't have a right to use a phone you do have a right to a private conversation from your home to another persons home. That is where the privacy clause in the Constitution steps in. A phone company can refuse you service at any time that they wish.

    A library is a service provided by either normal citizens or the state...in both cases they can refuse to give you any service..or they can just close up shop if they wanted.

    And you don't have a right to not be watched while walking down the street. Cops do it all the time without having to get a warrant. Paparazzi do it all the time to any celebrity that they can get a picture of.

    You don't have a right to drive an automobile. That is why you are required to get a drivers license. If you don't have one then you can be arrested and charged with driving without one.

    Having a GPS put into you would also violate your privacy when you are in your own home, at a private business confrence, or going to any destination as you can keep that private as well. Even if a cop asks you were you are going you do not have to legally tell them.

    Sorry but I just countered every single one of your examples. Try again?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Same place it says you have the right to drink Pepsi, watch television, or masturbate to midget porn.

    I know you labor under the misapprehension that this is a positive law system, but it isn't. The Ninth Amendment pretty clearly demolishes that argument.
    Then go to an airport and order them to let you on a plane. Make sure to video tape it and post it on youtube so that I can laugh at how quickly they laughed you out of the building.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah, but can you take pictures?
    Get on Bing or google and look em up. There are lots of websites dedicated to nudism. And yes they have pictures. I remember one that had children in it even. Can't remember the link but I remember seeing it.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Get on Bing or google and look em up. There are lots of websites dedicated to nudism. And yes they have pictures. I remember one that had children in it even. Can't remember the link but I remember seeing it.

    Jock Sturges a well known art photographer documented nudist families in Europe. Als Sally mann has documented her children as they were growing up.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Jock Sturges a well known art photographer documented nudist families in Europe. Als Sally mann has documented her children as they were growing up.
    Prime examples. Thank you.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I think whatever homeland security and the TSA deem necessary for safety should be enforced. Body scanners, invasive searches, and further methods should be implemented.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then go to an airport and order them to let you on a plane. Make sure to video tape it and post it on youtube so that I can laugh at how quickly they laughed you out of the building.
    I should be able to since it's my goddamned tax dollars keeping that stupid ass industry afloat.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think whatever homeland security and the TSA deem necessary for safety should be enforced. Body scanners, invasive searches, and further methods should be implemented.
    Yes master, tell me your bidding and I obey!

    I find the outright submittal to aggressive authoritative demands to be a bit disconcerting. We are not the entity which is limited. Government is. I mean, how much more till you'd cry foul? Scanners in the street? RFID passively scanned? I mean, it's obvious many seem willing to trade freedom and liberty for "safety"; but that rarely has a good outcome.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Prime examples. Thank you.
    They're outside nude. If I were outside nude, I couldn't protest to being photographed in the buff. It's a different ball game when I'm not and people use a form of technology or dynamic to make me so.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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