View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    An interesting article....

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope I know how it works.
    Either you do not or you are a liar.

    I'm just not going to read a conspiracy into every little thing that I don't happen to like.
    A few years ago we just had metal detectors at airports to see if passengers are carrying metal objects and non invasive pat downs.Now we have virtual strip searches and invasive pat down. You are honestly telling me that after using the guise of using GPS so they can monitor how far you travel to charge taxes that they wouldn't use GPS to monitor where you travel and you do not think that if companies start implanting their employees with chips that government wouldn't make it mandatory under the guise of more secure IDs?



    And a GPS unit can be taken out of a car to. Even if it is slaved to the computer in the car.

    Wouldn't the government just mandate that the GPS be embedded into something that can not be taken out of the car or embedded somewhere where someone could not easily get to without spending a lot of money paying a mechanic to do? Better yet equip police with scanners to see if you are driving without your GPS put scanners into the speed trap cameras that automatically notify the authorities you are driving without a operational GPS unit in your car? Perceived incompetence of the government is no reason to let them violate the 4th amendment. These people in the government are not as stupid as you would like to think.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Either you do not or you are a liar.
    Or maybe I do know and realize that even with baby steps they cannot get everything that they want implemented because they know that the people will eventually say "enough is enough!"? I'll give you fine example of baby steps if you wish. The social security cards. When they came out they said it was just for census purposes. Now you can't do anything without having to provide it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A few years ago we just had metal detectors at airports to see if passengers are carrying metal objects and non invasive pat downs.Now we have virtual strip searches and invasive pat down. You are honestly telling me that after using the guise of using GPS so they can monitor how far you travel to charge taxes that they wouldn't use GPS to monitor where you travel and you do not think that if companies start implanting their employees with chips that government wouldn't make it mandatory under the guise of more secure IDs?
    Part in bold: yeah so? Last I knew going through airport security was totally optional and up to you. Unless you are trying to tell me that you are forced to go through them? If so then I would gladly view such proof.

    Part underlined: Oh I'm sure they would use such information. But only if they had a warrant. Which would be perfectly legal as per the Constitution. If they used it for anything else and were found out about it I am quite sure that there would be an uproar. One which I would join.

    As for the ID's. Nope. That is just conspiracy talking.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wouldn't the government just mandate that the GPS be embedded into something that can not be taken out of the car or embedded somewhere where someone could not easily get to without spending a lot of money paying a mechanic to do? Better yet equip police with scanners to see if you are driving without your GPS put scanners into the speed trap cameras that automatically notify the authorities you are driving without a operational GPS unit in your car? Perceived incompetence of the government is no reason to let them violate the 4th amendment. These people in the government are not as stupid as you would like to think.
    A GPS unit would have to be attached to the computer of the car in order for it to read the gas milege of the car. If the government were to start using it as you suggest then it would still have to be plugged into that. No two ways around it. It would not be hard to find. This is one of the reasons that a gas milage tax would be unworkable and why I don't support it.

    As for police being able to detect it in their cars...not possible. A GPS unit in your car is just a reciever. It recieves the signals from the satellites up in orbit around the Earth and then calculates the transit time of each message and figures out the distance to each satellite. Since the GPS unit is not sending out any signals a cop along side the road could not have anything that they could detect.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Part in bold: yeah so? Last I knew going through airport security was totally optional and up to you. Unless you are trying to tell me that you are forced to go through them? If so then I would gladly view such proof.
    Businessmen often need to go through them, travel to keep their jobs. The issue is the degree of airport security - especially carried out by our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IMO, optionality or lack therefore is irrelevant, and the TSA needs to have somebody controlling the reigns.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Businessmen often need to go through them, travel to keep their jobs. The issue is the degree of airport security - especially carried out by our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IMO, optionality or lack therefore is irrelevant, and the TSA needs to have somebody controlling the reigns.
    No businessmen needs to go through them. There are other modes of transportation if they have to go somewhere.

    And you are of course entitled to your opinion. Being forced to do something and given the option to do something of your own free will makes a big difference on weather it violates rights or not.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Being as how i'm new to the site and havn't read the whole thread i'm going to keep this short and sweet and hope no one gets mad.

    No one, but yourself can force you to do anything. The only restrictions anyone has are the ones they place on themselves or let others place upon them. If you want to use an airplane as your method of transportation you're going to have to make some sacrifices when it come to privacy, for the sake of your safety and the safty of other passengers. If your not happy with that then simply use another mode of transportation.

    As for how the safety procedures are "invasive," last time I traveled by plane I simply had to walk thru a metal detector and place my carry-ons on a conveyor to be scanned. Unless you have something to hide, nothing more would happen.

    There are always going to be exceptions. A security officer who's crooked, a faulty scanner, who knows. Murphy's law prevails.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by kal_daka87 View Post
    Unless you have something to hide, nothing more would happen.
    Illogical premise - if you take advantage of the social and legal constructs that make up privacy, one is "hiding" things - good, bad, legitimate, or not being moot. Given that, one can't then hold true a statement of absolute in the opposite extreme.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Illogical premise - if you take advantage of the social and legal constructs that make up privacy, one is "hiding" things - good, bad, legitimate, or not being moot. Given that, one can't then hold true a statement of absolute in the opposite extreme.
    The point of the discussion is that those "constructs" are being violated. If you try to hide something while going through the basic security measures, like the metal detectors, and it goes off - you are going to be subjected to additional searches.

    There is nothing socially or legally that will prevent them from carrying out their searches in the present moment. If the officers doing the searches do it unlawfully or disrespectfully, thats where the legal measures step in, but not until after the fact.

    Yes, you have the option to refuse the searches. However, that is at the risk of not being allowed on the plane, losing out on the cost of a usually pricy airline ticket, and possibly being escorted out of the building by police or worse. So again, it comes down to what you are willing to accept.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No businessmen needs to go through them. There are other modes of transportation if they have to go somewhere.

    And you are of course entitled to your opinion. Being forced to do something and given the option to do something of your own free will makes a big difference on weather it violates rights or not.
    This is not entirely true, particularly for businessmen. This is due to the length and time scales in our modern world for accomplishing tasks. If some guy in Fort Collins had to go to Denver or Cheyenne; yes they wouldn't need to fly. If on the other had some guy in LA had to go to Chicago, could only leave at most a day ahead of time, and had to be back within 2 days; the only practical resource would be flying. It's the same in many people's personal lives. You have X time off for vacation or holiday; how are you going to spend it? Sure, you can take a train and then rent a car, you can just flat out drive, etc. But if you're on a limited schedule like the vast majority of Americans than you either don't go or you fly. In essence, to move around the country flying is essential. Until there is a time when perhaps we have true high speed rail or some other technology that can compete with flying. Most people are forced to takes flights over other forms of transportation.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is not entirely true, particularly for businessmen. This is due to the length and time scales in our modern world for accomplishing tasks. If some guy in Fort Collins had to go to Denver or Cheyenne; yes they wouldn't need to fly. If on the other had some guy in LA had to go to Chicago, could only leave at most a day ahead of time, and had to be back within 2 days; the only practical resource would be flying. It's the same in many people's personal lives. You have X time off for vacation or holiday; how are you going to spend it? Sure, you can take a train and then rent a car, you can just flat out drive, etc. But if you're on a limited schedule like the vast majority of Americans than you either don't go or you fly. In essence, to move around the country flying is essential. Until there is a time when perhaps we have true high speed rail or some other technology that can compete with flying. Most people are forced to takes flights over other forms of transportation.
    He still doesn't have to fly via airport. He could...

    1: Take a private jet.
    2: Take a hired 2 seater plane since those are not subject to the TSA's security measures.
    3: Make better schedules so that they can take a car, train or bus to their destination.
    4: Quit his job and get one that does not require him to fly.

    Flying is not essential to get around the country. There are other options. No one is forced to go through the airport.
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