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  • invasive pat downs

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  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Metal detectors, scanning luggage, non-invasive pat downs are all ok. Anything else is just overreaction and won't significantly increase any "security" concern.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Metal detectors, scanning luggage, non-invasive pat downs are all ok. Anything else is just overreaction and won't significantly increase any "security" concern.
    agreed. however, if the results of any of these scans raise concerns, you should submit to further scrutiny.

    If the x-ray shows a suspicious object in your bag, you should have to open it.
    If you set off the metal detector, you should be wanded to localize the source and explain what it is.

    I have screws in my shoulder. I set off the detector every time. I step aside, they wand me, it beeps at my shoulder. I raise my arm to show I don't have a weapon hidden in my armpit and go about my merry way. Most of the time I will advise the screeners in advance and just skip the metal detector and go straight to the wanding.

    I really don't see what "freedoms" are being impinged on. If you don't want the TSA feeling up your junk....don't freakin carry metal objects in your damn pockets.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I guess it's going to depend on how badly I want to fly to my destination.

    I have no objection to profiling - but at some point terrorists are going to figure out that certain people aren't detained and they will "recruit" one of those people to do their bidding.

    Additional security personnel on a plane would be beneficial if the terrorist draws a weapon and attempts to overtake the plane - but an armed marshal will be blown up the same as anyone else if explosives are detonated in mid air.

    I do believe that the x-rays and invasive pat downs cross the line into unreasonable search and seizure unless there is probable cause. We, as citizens of the U.S. are protected from the unreasonable search and seizure by the fourth amendment. I have to agree with the Ben Franklin quote "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Read Sun Tzu's The Art of War. "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." We have certainly become so politically correct that effective profiling would not be expected by the terrorists - So profile away!

    The x-rays and pat downs merely make examples of U.S. citizens and at best keep the airlines from being sued for discrimination. Common sense warrants discrimination.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane? Which of the following is okay with you, what is the limit in which you give up your 4th amendment rights?


    Invasive pat downs
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    Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.
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    MaggieD is correct. Your options are loaded. To the brim.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We had more than enough searching of passengers twenty years ago. Those who are truly dedicated to smuggling things can and always will succeed, and the common idiot is deterred from trying. For those who cite 9/11 as a good reason to expand airport security, the honest truth is that it won't happen again. And it has nothing to do with security. If faced with a hijacker armed with a box cutter, passengers will not longer sit by and wait to be ransomed. They will fight back violently. Simply locking the door to the cockpit and making passengers aware that they need to fight back is all the expanded security we need.

    We can't catch every possible person who may not be wanted on an airplane, and attempting to do so grossly infringes on our privacy and our freedoms. All of the fear mongering doesn't help us live safer lives. It just makes us more easily pressured to give up even more rights. Nor should we be singling out Arab-looking people to mess with. Most people are innocent, regardless of skin color or religion. Most terrorist acts in the US were committed by white Americans, not foreigners.
    I'm sure that people thought that the US wouldn't be attacked again after pearl harbor also. And then 9/11 comes along. So I wouldn't say that it will never happen again. There will always be nutjobs willing to give it a try. And odds are they will eventually succeed.

    Also just because a determined person will find a way around the security measures or the fact that we can't catch everyone does not mean that we should just give up trying to counter them. To do so would be the equivalent of just stop trying to enforce murder charges.

    And you are not forced to give up ANY rights. No one is forcing you to go through all the security measures and get on that plane. There are other options available to you. Options that don't require the use of those security measures. Use em. Flying is not a right. It is a service provided by companies. And strictly regulated by the government because of the dangerous possibilities that are inheirant in planes that are bigger than a house and weighs just as much or more than said house.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Actually yes, you do have a right to fly in an airplane:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ninth Amendment
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    Now please try another argument. Thanks.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm sure that people thought that the US wouldn't be attacked again after pearl harbor also. And then 9/11 comes along. So I wouldn't say that it will never happen again. There will always be nutjobs willing to give it a try. And odds are they will eventually succeed.
    So people thought that we wouldn't be attacked after Pearl Harbor...and 60 years later, a completely different group of people use a completely different method to attack a completely different target. Oook.

    Yes, you're right. Odds are someone will eventually succeed at attacking us again...most likely through some creative new method. That has what to do with airport security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Also just because a determined person will find a way around the security measures or the fact that we can't catch everyone does not mean that we should just give up trying to counter them. To do so would be the equivalent of just stop trying to enforce murder charges.
    No, it's the equivalent of sending the entire police force to stand on guard 24/7 around the house of a recent murder victim, to make sure that no one ELSE is murdered in that same house.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    And you are not forced to give up ANY rights. No one is forcing you to go through all the security measures and get on that plane. There are other options available to you. Options that don't require the use of those security measures. Use em. Flying is not a right. It is a service provided by companies. And strictly regulated by the government because of the dangerous possibilities that are inheirant in planes that are bigger than a house and weighs just as much or more than said house.
    This argument is such bull****. You could make the same argument to justify government snooping in virtually ANY activity that people engage in. You don't explicitly have the right to make phone calls, use the library, walk down a street without being watched, drive an automobile, or to have surgery without having a GPS chip implanted under your skin.

    This is exactly why we have a 9th Amendment. So that people DON'T interpret rights in such a rigid way. Not to mention it's a complete violation of the 4th Amendment.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Today its just virtual strip searches tomorrow it could be the real thing, random cavity searches and this being implemented in Bus stations,highways and other places. You may love the idea of getting people used to their rights being forked over and living in a police state, I do not.
    Wow...talk about fear mongering.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you wouldn't mind if it was your 13 year old daughter(I believe 12 and under are not subjected to the virtual strip searches), niece or little sister's silver anonymous silver junk being seen on a TV screen for 15-20 seconds by a professional TSA officer.
    Nope. For the simple reason that a body is just a body and an officer doing their job is an officer doing their job. 13 year old females are stripped searched when going into juvenile detention centers. Where's your outrage about that if seeing the body of a 13 year old female while working as a security guard is that bad?

    Also perhaps you should look into nudist colonies. They might expand your ideas of propriety a bit. I have a friend that goes to em and from what he says they could care less about what another persons body looks like. Young or old, hot or homely.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Also perhaps you should look into nudist colonies. They might expand your ideas of propriety a bit. I have a friend that goes to em and from what he says they could care less about what another persons body looks like. Young or old, hot or homely.
    Yeah, but can you take pictures?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Actually yes, you do have a right to fly in an airplane:Now please try another argument. Thanks.
    Show me where you have the right to order an airline to take you anywhere. Show me anywhere that we the people have retained that flying is a right. Try again, thanks.
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