View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The government does have the ability to regulate internet service providers and e-mail companies, even mandating disclosure of all their files.
    No, it doesn't. Not in any general sense.

    Is your copy of the Constitution on the back of a cereal box? Have you read the history of this stuff in comic book form? Seriously, where do you get all this crap?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, it doesn't. Not in any general sense.

    Is your copy of the Constitution on the back of a cereal box? Have you read the history of this stuff in comic book form? Seriously, where do you get all this crap?
    Do you always go straight to ad hominems without making an argument? Have you actually got any reason to think I'm wrong? Do you know what the fourth amendment says?

    If the government mandated an ISP disclose all its files, that is between the ISP and the goverment, precisely analogous to the situation here between the airlines and the government. The user of the ISP and the airline passenger have no standing. Anything else I can clear up for you?

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It really isn't my interpretation. This is pretty cut and dry stuff, taking it to court over a violation of passengers' fourth amendment rights would be frivolous.

    Like I have repeatedly said, it's between the government and the airline. Maybe the airlines have a case, but it doesn't look like they are going to pursue it. Passengers have got squat for a case.
    Protecting our civil rights and establishing where government can and can-not infringe on those rights is anything but frivolous. Over 25,000 Americans died so we could have a Bill of Rights, it's worth the effort to insure we are properly maintaining those rights.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Do you always go straight to ad hominems without making an argument? Have you actually got any reason to think I'm wrong? Do you know what the fourth amendment says?

    If the government mandated an ISP disclose all its files, that is between the ISP and the goverment, precisely analogous to the situation here between the airlines and the government. The user of the ISP and the airline passenger have no standing. Anything else I can clear up for you?
    Tell you what -- you get into the 4th Amendment and all of its jurisprudence and explain exactly how the government can mandate such a thing. Cite established principles, rulings, cases, the whole gamut. It's YOU who has to make the case here, so do it.

    If you further want to claim that people waive their rights by contracting, show the terms within the contracts which do this. Specific wording is necessary if you wish to make your case.

    And then further explain how, in the case of airline searches, that wording would rob a person of standing to claim that their rights had been violated by too invasive of a search. Be sure to cite relevant rules on standing when you do.

    Go. It's all you, dude, so dazzle me.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by topshelf View Post
    Protecting our civil rights and establishing where government can and can-not infringe on those rights is anything but frivolous.
    It is frivolous when there is no civil rights infringement going on in the first place. For example, a case by the airline companies against the TSA is not frivilous. A case on behalf of passengers who meet the legal definition of consent to the search is very frivolous indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by topshelf View Post
    Over 25,000 Americans died so we could have a Bill of Rights, it's worth the effort to insure we are properly maintaining those rights.
    Get off your soap box, there is no civil rights issue here.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If the government mandated an ISP disclose all its files, that is between the ISP and the goverment, precisely analogous to the situation here between the airlines and the government. The user of the ISP and the airline passenger have no standing. Anything else I can clear up for you?
    This is just wrong, at least as relates to the telecoms.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is just wrong, at least as relates to the telecoms.
    Irrelevant. Obviously you didn't understand the point of the analogy. It may be a violation of the telecom companies' fourth amendment rights, but the point is that it is not a violation of the user's rights. The telecom company is the one with standing, and they are analogous to the airline companies here. The user and the passenger are analogous in that they have no standing to claim a fourth amendment violation. Let me know if you need a more painstaking explanation, I will happily provide one.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Irrelevant. Obviously you didn't understand the point of the analogy. It may be a violation of the telecom companies' fourth amendment rights, but the point is that it is not a violation of the user's rights. The telecom company is the one with standing, and they are analogous to the airline companies here. The user and the passenger are analogous in that they have no standing to claim a fourth amendment violation. Let me know if you need a more painstaking explanation, I will happily provide one.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I understand what you're saying.
    I'm saying that you're wrong.
    Well, it's not an opinion question, it's a matter of law. You're the wrong one. Sorry.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, it's not an opinion question, it's a matter of law. You're the wrong one. Sorry.
    Even though I knew it was pointless to waste the typing, I told you above exactly how to prove you're right. You, of course, ignored it, as usual.
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