View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    My anger is not misplaced. It is right where it belongs.
    Except your posts are largely devoid of facts, and full of frothy rants about Obama, the Muslim lover.

    I would just be happy keeping strangers hands off of them.

    Patting someone's waistline is just so titillating.

    This is why you have no idea what you are talking about.
    From your story...
    The woman's attorney, Jerry McLaughlin, said the woman, now a 23-year-old college student, believes TSA employees acted improperly after a female TSA agent pulled off the woman's top during the screening.

    "It was kind of a bad situation. They didn't handle it correctly," he said. "One of our major complaints is that even after it occurred, they started making jokes about it."
    As I said...a female agent searched her. Should this female agent and others be disciplined, including fired? Yep. Wrongdoing is always possible, I'm fairly certain that people make mistakes all the time, in every field. However, isolated incidents like this do not equal a widespread problem. And at this point, isolated incidents are all you can point to. Do you know how many flights there are daily in the U.S.? 30,000. That equals around 3 million passengers a day. This is one incident out of 900 million airline passenger trips a year.

    I suspect some are. So what? But when the TSA skips over a man born in Yemen named Mohamad with a one-way ticket and searches and elderly woman in the name of “fairness” then the system is broken.
    So, only Islamic males are suspect? As stated, racial profiling is not an effective law enforcement strategy.

    I get it.

    What you don’t get is that profiling looks for terrorists…not olive-skinned individuals with sheets on their heads.
    What do terrorists look like? You're bitching about the costs and problems associated with our current screening methods, without realizing that El Al only has to screen passengers for 40 planes, TOTAL. We do not have the manpower, or the budget, to screen using the Israeli methods. Our passenger load makes this completely impossible and absurd.

    At least I’m not poorly informed.
    lulz.

    If you had any idea you would be angry, too
    I suspect I fly 20 or 30 times as often as you do. When is the last time you set foot on a plane and went through the security screening you're bitching about? For me, it was yesterday, in SFO.

    Your inability to use the quote function is inexplicable at this point. Learn to use it.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 11-20-10 at 06:06 PM.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    [FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="3"]“Yet you don't care if someone otehr than you has to go through that.” - spud_meister

    Yes, I am offended that everyone has to be a suspect because everyone at the TSA is such a chicken-sh_ _ and won’t profile terrorists.
    You do know that profileing based on race is illegal and against the Constitution right?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You do know that profileing based on race is illegal and against the Constitution right?
    In the Baron's world, the constitution doesn't apply to Arab Americans.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I have another question for the people in this thread.

    Who owns the skies above the USA?
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In the Baron's world, the constitution doesn't apply to Arab Americans.
    All the pro-TSA folk, including Pistole himself, seem to be arguing that you surrender your 4th Amendment right against search and seizure when you buy a ticket on an airplane. So which is it - are we surrendering our constitutional rights or not?

    If we are - then why not use the method that's going to be most effective ... since people's rights are going to be violated no matter what you do.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm content with the status quo. No need for slippery slope fallacies here. IF new measures are needed, then that can be discussed if/when that occurs.
    So basically you are advocating that we base our entire national security apparatus on what the LAST terrorist did, assuming that the next one will have absolutely zero creativity or flexibility in altering his plans. This is absurd. To the extent that we need to worry about terrorism, we should be putting our resources in the places where future attacks are most likely to occur, not where the last guy found a weakness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux
    It's not just about being caught on that single plane. I was heavily impacted by 9/11, and I didn't die. We all were. So, your argument is fallacious. You're conspicuously attempting to narrow the argument to one which is more easily defended. Still a fail.
    9/11 won't be repeated as has been explained to you before. Any terrorist attacks will be confined to the people aboard the plane. And even if a plane gets blown out of the sky (which hasn't happened since Lockerbie if I'm not mistaken...and has NEVER happened in the United States) it's one plane out of hundreds of millions. If you're going to be "heavily impacted" by that, then I suggest you get over your irrational fear of things that are miniscule dangers. Our government would be a lot more effective and save a lot more lives if it devoted more money to, say, improving the safety of automobiles or researching heart disease. But thanks to irrational people like you, we have nudie booths to fight airport terrorists instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux
    Much ado about nothing. Don't ever have a mammogram, you'll die of embarrassment.
    And this right here is the problem. You think it's a matter of people being embarrassed of being naked. While I'm sure there is some of that and it's perfectly understandable, the real issue here is the infringement on civil liberties. The particular orifice isn't particularly relevant; I don't want government agencies feeling inside my mouth and nostrils anymore than I want them feeling my groin. I don't want them looking at all the papers in my briefcase anymore than I want them looking under my clothes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux
    These are all opinions, not facts. Do you know the difference?
    Actually, only the first one is an opinion. 2-4 are all facts. It doesn't improve safety, if it did it would shift the risk from the plane to the security line, and terrorist attacks are vanishingly rare.

    I shouldn't have to give up MY civil liberties just because YOU are irrational and want to feel secure knowing that the TSA reduced your odds of dying in a plane bombing from 0.0000002% to 0.0000001%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux
    Then don't fly. The fewer of you people who fly, the fewer TSA agents we need, and the more we'll all save.
    I'll tell you what. Why don't we have federal agents attach a GPS to your car. No one's forcing you to drive. And if you don't, the more we'll all save on GPS trackers.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by topshelf View Post
    All the pro-TSA folk, including Pistole himself, seem to be arguing that you surrender your 4th Amendment right against search and seizure when you buy a ticket on an airplane. So which is it - are we surrendering our constitutional rights or not?

    If we are - then why not use the method that's going to be most effective ... since people's rights are going to be violated no matter what you do.
    I wouldn't say all. I've tried to be very careful and make the distinction that you give your consent when you try to go through the security checkpoint to get onto the plane. Because any time before that you can decide to just not go.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I wouldn't say all. I've tried to be very careful and make the distinction that you give your consent when you try to go through the security checkpoint to get onto the plane. Because any time before that you can decide to just not go.
    That's a choice that's not really a choice at all. If we're going to assume that you consent to waiving your civil liberties whenever you engage in common activities like flying, then we don't really have any civil liberties.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's a choice that's not really a choice at all. If we're going to assume that you consent to waiving your civil liberties whenever you engage in common activities like flying, then we don't really have any civil liberties.
    You're misunderstanding the issue. Nobody is forcing you to buy a plane ticket. It's not like the government is forcing anybody to step through these x-ray machines, the passengers are doing it of their own free will.

    The Constitutional issue here is between the government and the airline company, not between the government and the passenger. So it isn't a violation of civil liberties.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're misunderstanding the issue. Nobody is forcing you to buy a plane ticket. It's not like the government is forcing anybody to step through these x-ray machines, the passengers are doing it of their own free will.

    The Constitutional issue here is between the government and the airline company, not between the government and the passenger. So it isn't a violation of civil liberties.
    There are business travelers that travel every day that have no choice but to submit to this gross invasion of their privacy - simply because they can't afford to stop traveling. We don't have high speed rail so airtravel is really the only option.

    The Constitutional issue here is exactly between government and passengers because every two years, passengers are the ones who decide who gets to keep their jobs in government.

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