View Poll Results: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

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  • invasive pat downs

    12 10.62%
  • Non invasive pat downs.

    31 27.43%
  • Subjected to radiation so you and or your children can be virtually stripped searched.

    17 15.04%
  • Real strip searches

    11 9.73%
  • Cavity search.

    53 46.90%
  • walking through a metal detector.

    52 46.02%
  • other

    29 25.66%
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    What a bunch of terminally prudish anal retentives. No wonder Europe got rid of the prissy religious extremists to clear the decks for the enlightenment.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Extremely invasive full-body scans, X-rays, CAT-Scans, and so forth.

    Extremely invasive Strip, cavity (including ears, and whatever you can think of) and other searches.

    Only allowed to bring clothing, and then only clothing without any materials which could possibly explode, ignite, or otherwise endanger anyone in any conceivable situation, however remote, onboard.

    Recommended that you simply travel via air completely naked, and have someone meet you at the other end with clothes. This method eliminates much of the stress involved in multiple undressings, scanning’s, etc.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What a bunch of terminally prudish anal retentives. No wonder Europe got rid of the prissy religious extremists to clear the decks for the enlightenment.
    Don't you live in a country where the government spies on your trash cans to make sure you are a recycling, has security cameras in practically every street corner and bans everything from guns to swords of certian lengths?

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    I think I'll take the prissy religious extremist prudes over a police state any day of the week.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I'm fully in favor of the "Israelification" of our security check points. Our current process is the ultimate experiment in politcal correctness - we should be identifying those who match likely terror profiles and they should be singled out for increased screening.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Extremely invasive full-body scans, X-rays, CAT-Scans, and so forth.

    Extremely invasive Strip, cavity (including ears, and whatever you can think of) and other searches.

    Only allowed to bring clothing, and then only clothing without any materials which could possibly explode, ignite, or otherwise endanger anyone in any conceivable situation, however remote, onboard.

    Recommended that you simply travel via air completely naked, and have someone meet you at the other end with clothes. This method eliminates much of the stress involved in multiple undressings, scanning’s, etc.

    Only if she goes naked too.....


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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    I have to fly 2-3 times a month for work. I doubt that most of the people that are whining about security have to fly as often as I do. I went through the full body scan this morning at 5:30 a.m. at the SFO. After the scan, I received a mild patdown and had my hands rubbed and screened.

    I do not believe that the TSA officials have put these measures into place purely to violate your rights and piss you off. They are responding to additional information that has been received about realistic threats.

    The issue is no longer that planes will be invaded by box-cutter wielding hijackers bent on fiery immolation into a national landmark.

    The issue is now that passengers will bring chemicals and/or other items in an attempt to blow up the plane. The limits on liquids and gels was in response to dry runs by suspected terrorists who were found mixing bottles of chemicals in airplane lavatories. And, stories like this:

    Terrorist Attempt on Detroit-Bound Plane Puts Airports on Alert - Bloomberg

    As a gold level Delta frequent flier, I don't really give a crap if you don't want to go through security screenings. Drive your own damn car. But, terrorists look like everyone else. And, there are reasons for every single measure that TSA has implemented, from shoe removals (shoe bomber) to limits on liquids/gels. I have no doubt that these new measures are in response to legitimate intelligence information.

    We've had multiple attempts at air travel attacks. Most recently, a dozen bombs were shipped on freight planes, disguised as printer ink cartridges. 9/11 never ended. The attempts to test our weaknesses and vulnerabilities continue, aggressively.
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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where in ANY of my posts gives you the slightest impression that I said such a thing? You are the one claiming that you have a right to fly on a plane. I want you to prove it. I gave you a way to prove it. Use it. You are the one that is claiming a right where none exists.



    Congress does have that ability. Sure I'd be pissed that they took away my license. But guess what.....people have lived on this world for thousands of years long before the car was invented. How do you think they got around? Ask any cop or judge or lawyer in this whole country and they will ALL tell you that driving is a privledge, not a right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    While I'm not scholor it is pretty obvious what the Ninth Amendment means. Now, Can you draw up a list of rights that are not in the constitution and yet we are gaurunteed to have because of the 9th Amendment? Just what are those rights? Anything that you say? Or anything the people as a whole say? What are they? I would like the full list please and thank you.

    Also answer me this. Since you seem to think that the 9th amendment is the end all be all for law making why is it that we have a congress which has the power to make laws? Surely since you seem to think that the 9th amendment applies to everything that was not talked about in the Constitution (including flying which by the way was never even thought of when the Constitution was first made and therefore could not be considered when making the constitution) you can answer me this.

    As I have stated before, every amendment in the Constitution has it's exceptions.


    I don't have the patience to wade through the stupidity of your posts and teach you this. Reread the Ninth Amendment until you get it, as at the current time, you obviously do not. It's written in plain ****ing English, so hopefully you'll only have to read it a couple of dozen times.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I have to fly 2-3 times a month for work. I doubt that most of the people that are whining about security have to fly as often as I do. I went through the full body scan this morning at 5:30 a.m. at the SFO.
    I fly at least twice a month for work and then generally once or twice a year on vacation. I don't have a major problem going through the screening myself but I've stood in line, like you likely have, and seen families who obviously don't travel as much being put through the ringer. Kids wearing Mickey Mouse ears and their Mom's and Dad's are not the ones who are attacking our country. I've watched women being grossly mistreated, in full view of the rest of the line, and I won't submit my family to it.

    They are going too far and it needs to be stopped - and this is from a frequent flier who flies United (mostly).

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Quote Originally Posted by topshelf View Post
    I fly at least twice a month for work and then generally once or twice a year on vacation. I don't have a major problem going through the screening myself but I've stood in line, like you likely have, and seen families who obviously don't travel as much being put through the ringer. Kids wearing Mickey Mouse ears and their Mom's and Dad's are not the ones who are attacking our country. I've watched women being grossly mistreated, in full view of the rest of the line, and I won't submit my family to it.

    They are going too far and it needs to be stopped - and this is from a frequent flier who flies United (mostly).
    If people can't bother to research the requirements for flying (including what they can, and can't take on the plane), they deserve to be put through the ringer. This **** isn't rocket science, and these protocols exist for a reason.

    As far as the kids in Mickey Mouse ears and their parents...TERRORISTS LOOK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. They have used women and children...blonds and brunettes. You cannot have an effective comprehensive policy to reduce attacks on flights without screening everyone, without preferences.

    The only change I would support at this point would be fingerprinting and creating an upper tier of screening for frequent fliers that would allow us to bypass the lines based upon providing the airline with detailed security information. That would free up more personnel to assist the noobs.

    As far as not allowing your wife to fly because she might be exposed to unpleasantness at the security checkpoints? Good grief, that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read in recent memory. I guess if your wife can't handle herself at a TSA checkpoint, she probably does need to stay at home. Preferably, with a full time minder.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 11-19-10 at 09:00 PM.

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    Re: What should you be subjected to in order to fly on airplane?

    Do you have the right to sneak a bomb onto a plane? If you're against various precautionary measures, then you apparently feel you do.

    Do I have a right to survive the flight from point A to point B without you blowing it up? I think so.

    So, how do we reconcile those 'rights'? Yours to not be searched for explosives and mine not to be killed when your bomb goes off?

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