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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Do you have the capacity to comment seriously on anything, or are partisan one-liners all you've got?

    The Republicans did not decisively win the election. They got a majority in one house, and firmed up their minority in the Senate. Nothing's going to get done on either side unless there's some cooperation.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do you have the capacity to comment seriously on anything, or are partisan one-liners all you've got?

    The Republicans did not decisively win the election. They got a majority in one house, and firmed up their minority in the Senate. Nothing's going to get done on either side unless there's some cooperation.
    Oh my!

    Has Pelosi joined Debate Politics? "did not decisively win the election"... ROTFLOL... Upstate NY importing BC Bud?

    Earth to Nancy... ahhhhhhhh... the second largest midterm swing in history???..."did not decisively win the election"??? ROTFLOL...

    As for the Senate, had the entire Senate been up for grabs, we would have kicked scrotum hard there too... but we made very decent progress... 23-seats are up in 2012... hold on to your sack, we're gonna boot yer junk... and hard.

    This is only the start my friend, and you have revealed what "Other" means when describing your "Political Lean": Further left than Nancy.

    I don't mind if nothing gets done, except starving ObamaKare. For nothing to get done, Obama will have his veto pen out, and that's OK with me. 2012 isn't far away, and once the incompetent is voted out... then we can start gutting & slashing the behemoth.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    After his term as president of Amerika, he'd be the ideal Secretary-General of the UN. He'd feel right at home leading that anti-American body.

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    Sounds possible.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Lame Duck? No, not yet anyway. He's pretty close though. He needs to turn things around like Clinton was able to if he has a chance. My money's not on that happening though. He doesn't have the leadership attributes that Clinton had in terms of being able to talk to the people.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh my!

    Has Pelosi joined Debate Politics? "did not decisively win the election"... ROTFLOL... Upstate NY importing BC Bud?

    Earth to Nancy... ahhhhhhhh... the second largest midterm swing in history???..."did not decisively win the election"??? ROTFLOL...
    I guess you're in need of some remedial English. Observe:

    de·ci·sive Adjective /diˈsīsiv/

    1. Settling an issue; producing a definite result
    • the Supreme Court voided the statute by a decisive 7–2 vote
    • decisive evidence

    2. (of a person) Having or showing the ability to make decisions quickly and effectively
    The two parties now posses almost perfectly split control of the first two estates. The Democrats, of course, still hold the Presidency (since Obama's not up for re-election yet) and a majority in the Senate -- one too small to steamroller a fillibuster. The Republicans hold a majority in the House, and enough Senators to put up a good fight.

    The President is free to sign or Veto as he pleases, since the Republicans couldn't possibly put together a 2/3 majority to override on any but the most urgent of legislative issues. The Republicans are free to pass whatever they like in the House. The battleground for the next two years will be the Senate.

    Literally nothing will be accomplished from this point forward except where the two major parties cooperate.

    That certainly is a victory for the party that was in the minority in both houses, but all that has been decided is that neither party has enough control to just do whatever the hell they want. That sounds like the opposite of decisive to me.

    It's even less decisive when you take into account the fact that the party in the White House typically loses a certain amount of influence (almost by default) in the mid-term elections.

    It's even less decisive than that when you take into account all of the bragging done about how the Republicans were going to seize both houses of Congress from the evil Democrats and set all the wrongs right.

    They took a perfect storm and used it to coast in like a lazy boy on a bike, rather than marching in like gangbusters.

    If that's decisive in your book, then be sure to say "hi" to Rush for me at the next circle-jerk.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I guess you're in need of some remedial English. Observe:
    Ahhhhhh.... Not the cunning linguist you think you are... not by a mile.

    ROTFLOL... may I suggest Hooked on Memory Improvement?
    Or perhaps the back-link button to review what YOU wrote.
    Perhaps a remedial English course from the school at the end of this thread?

    Remember this? You wrote it:
    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The Republicans did not decisively win the election.
    Republicans won the election both decisively and historically.

    You did use the word election... did you not?

    de·ci·sive
       /dɪˈsaɪsɪv/ Show Spelled[dih-sahy-siv] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    having the power or quality of deciding; putting an end to controversy; crucial or most important: Your argument was the decisive one.
    2.
    characterized by or displaying no or little hesitation; resolute; determined: The general was known for his decisive manner.
    3.
    indisputable; definite: a decisive defeat. (or victory)
    4.
    unsurpassable; commanding: a decisive lead in the voting.
    The election... your words... was a decisive victory for the Right.
    The election...

    That decisive victory has major implications. If it were a minor victory it wouldn't, but being decisive across the country, in state houses, governorships as well as Federally... it was one of the most decisive victories in the history of the country.

    Insert Quarter and try again.



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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Ahhhhhh.... Not the cunning linguist you think you are... not by a mile.

    ROTFLOL... may I suggest Hooked on Memory Improvement?
    Or perhaps the back-link button to review what YOU wrote.
    Perhaps a remedial English course from the school at the end of this thread?

    Remember this? You wrote it:
    Yes, of course, I remember writing it. I even stand by it.

    There is a distinct difference between simply calling something a victory and calling it a decisive victory. There are different flavors and varieties of victory -- pyrrhic being one of them, decisive being another.

    The one thing that all flavors of victory have in common is that the victor achieved some variation of the result they desired. The difference is the degree to which the victor got what they wanted, and what the cost of victory was.

    Equating "victory" and "decisive victory," as you are attempting to do, is like trying to equate a high wind warning to a tornado watch. Yep, they're both awfully windy, but the tornado has especially destructive qualities that puts it in a class by itself.

    You simply cannot call a victory decisive where nothing has actually been decided. The people, as a collective whole, sent just enough Republicans to Washington that neither party can claim definitive control over any branch of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Republicans won the election both decisively and historically.
    I honestly don't know your stand well enough to know if you're a Republican water-boy, a hater of the Democrat party, or some of each. Regardless, you're quite emphatically promoting one party over the other.

    The result seems to be that you're viewing this entire situation of rah-rah Republicans, boo-boo Democrats. I, for my part, hate both parties, so I tend to take a somewhat more objective view.

    Think about it like this: The Republicans had the Presidency and both houses of Congress for 6 years. In that 6 years, they blew their wad so hard that they lost a lot more control than they thought they would in the 2006 mid-terms, and they lost even worse in 2008. The Democrats, for their part, capitalized on the anger at Bush going into 2006, continued hyping it into the 2008 elections, and then blew their wad on health care.

    This historic victory you're touting is only historic because the Republicans got the snot kicked out of them in 2006 and 2008 and are only now making a comeback. In other words, it's historic because they started so far behind the line that just about any kind of victory for them could be touted as historic.

    In other words, it's not that they're great, it's that after 4 years they're finally reconnecting with the electorate and regaining some lost ground.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taboon View Post
    Lame Duck? No, not yet anyway. He's pretty close though. He needs to turn things around like Clinton was able to if he has a chance. My money's not on that happening though. He doesn't have the leadership attributes that Clinton had in terms of being able to talk to the people.
    I fear that you are correct...
    Maybe Obama is 20 years ahead of his time.
    And our nation will be 40 years behind the world, rather than 20.
    And of course the Republicans did decisively win the recent election, why would anyone debate this?
    The Democrats have no good and effective counter to Beck and Limbaugh...and Fox...

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    How can you call it a decisive win when nobody controls the government?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Obama a lame duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The Democrats have no good and effective counter to Beck and Limbaugh...and Fox...

    And that is a problem?

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