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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If you want to go by a strict reading, it reads "arms" not guns. Technically if a you have a big stick, you are armed.
    This is why strict readings can be somewhat useless in constitutional interpretation.
    This silliness again?
    All firearms fall under the definition of armsas the term is used in the 2A.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ID and a criminal background search etc are not restrictions and are not restricting your rights to own a weapon.
    Background checks are a form of prior restraint. Prior restriant is an infringement. The 2A prohibits infringements.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nor is there a ristriction on unsound minds either, you're basically putting words in the founders mouths.
    There is a legal restriction that has been held as constitutional. Not everyone has the right to arms, just as not everyone has rhe right to vote.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If a man truly possessed a "sound mind", that last thing he would be doing is buying more guns and ammo..
    You have that exactly backwards.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There is a legal restriction that has been held as constitutional. Not everyone has the right to arms, just as not everyone has rhe right to vote.
    Ok, so age requirements may be implied, and same goes for former convicts and people with civil liberties lawfully taken away. But that doesn't say anything about a citizenship requirement or anything a nebulous as a mental health requirement, which is my point. I never disputed an age requirement for gun ownership, although I think that should ultimately be up to the parents. Gun ownership is a fundamental right, just like freedom of speech, freedom of worship, etc.
    Last edited by Guy Incognito; 11-14-10 at 12:47 PM.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ok, so age requirements may be implied, and same goes for former convicts and people with civil liberties lawfully taken away. But that doesn't say anything about a citizenship requirement or anything a nebulous as a mental health requirement, which is my point.
    Federal law allows foreigners to buy firearms, with certain restrictions. Where's the issue?

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Federal law allows foreigners to buy firearms, with certain restrictions. Where's the issue?
    Somebody else earlier in the thread was arguing the Second Amenement only applied to US citizens.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Somebody else earlier in the thread was arguing the Second Amenement only applied to US citizens.
    Depending, one could make the argument that there is a compelling state interest to more closely restrict foreigners in this regard.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    The government should not be permitted to require registration or back round checks, reason being that criminals will get a firearm despite these laws anyway, so these laws only stop law abiding citizens.

    N.B.C., launch and guided munitions pose a greater threat to the general public than do firearms and therefore should not be permitted among the general population.

    You should not need a special permit to carry/transport concealed. However, as driving is not a right, a shall-issue endorsement for mounted firearms on your vehicle is reasonable.

    Hospitals and government buildings should be the only places where one can be restricted from carrying a firearm. This means carrying a firearm on public school grounds should not only be supported, but normal.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Therefore it is not Constitutional to restrict the citizenry from owning/possessing/carrying anything that a US military Infantryman might carry as a personal weapon.
    What do you define as personal weapon? Because infantry soldiers weapons do not just consist only of hand grenades, M203 grenade launcher, M16s,M4 and M249LMG (previously designate the M249SAW). Depending on the type of squad and position there is M240s,MK19,AT4s and various other weapons that a infantry soldier may use and carry. I believe the average citizen should be able to get what ever the military and law enforcement can get assuming they can pay for it and have a place to put it.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-14-10 at 01:21 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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