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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I used to carry a beretta "minx' as a deep backup- 22 short. Jimmy Cirillo (RIP) carried one too-sometimes under a sweat band on his wrist even though later in life he advocated heavy stuff. he sure could shoot a model 10 really well though.

    that minx was really reliable even though you pretty much were confined to eye shots at close range.
    where to you carry whats confortable for you? concealed wise
    ive even done hip but it tends to freak people out a litte here LOL raises lots of eyebrowls
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    where to you carry whats confortable for you? concealed wise
    ive even done hip but it tends to freak people out a litte here LOL raises lots of eyebrowls
    depends on the weather. winter-Smith MP compact in a galco FBI carry holster

    spring or fall, same gun in a IWB (horsehide galco) with a sweater or light jacket over it

    hot, 38 in an ankle holster or a in one of those deep cover galco IWBs

    when I cannot carry a gun-a spyderco folder and a James Keating Comtech Stinger.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I feel it necessary to say that, as a former member of the military, arming citizens is about the dumbest thing a revolting body could do. Citizens with guns will not pose a threat to the military, and they will not slow the military down. All arming the citizens will do is get those citizens killed.

    There's a major difference between insurgents and armed citizens, partisans and militias. You would not be creating a partisan army "a la Resistance" like the French did in the Second World War -- you would be creating a situation where the occupying military decides to shoot any male between 18 and 40.

    Something you completely fail to realize, I suppose, is that there's about 80 million former military persons mixed in with the "civilians" you're talking about. It won't be an unorganized armed mob for long.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    The Second Amendment is an awkward premise because the institution to which it refers no longer exists.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 12-20-10 at 11:49 PM.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Something you completely fail to realize, I suppose, is that there's about 80 million former military persons mixed in with the "civilians" you're talking about. It won't be an unorganized armed mob for long.
    an excellent point. I belong to three gun clubs and I am one of the few top shooters who wasn't military. I turned down the Army Marksmanship Unit (shotgun) to go to law school. plus people who are into guns seriously tend to be well trained. My wife and I have over 200 hours between us of high level training and I have another 100+ instructing. and then there is thousand or more hours in competition-from olympic trials, world championships and world cups to weekly leagues.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Something you completely fail to realize, I suppose, is that there's about 80 million former military persons mixed in with the "civilians" you're talking about. It won't be an unorganized armed mob for long.
    To say nothing for various national guard units, who's chain of command stops at the Governor, not the President. And then you would have dissension among the regular military ranks as well, just like in the civil war.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The Second Amendment is an awkward premise because the institution to which it refers no longer exists.

    Interestingly, before the Equal Rights Amendment, it would have been constitutional for a state to outlaw the manufacture, sale, and possession of firearms.
    the ERA? was never ratified. do you mean the 14th amendment which only recently incorporated the second (McDonald)? most state constitutions would have prevented such nonsense. Illinois was one of the few that didn't and several cities did that with handguns. it was a criminal workplace safety statute



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sure...name the book and give me a page number. Tomorrow I'll get the book and post a pic of that book stating such. Seriously.



    That's not what you said. You're backpedaling. Book name and page number.
    Operation Snakebite is one, from a journalist in Helmand Province. A senior US official is quoted saying that special forces teams (both US and UK) regularly, when targetting a Taliban leader, would get off the Chinook, and en route to the target, shoot any males aged 18-40.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    To say nothing for various national guard units, who's chain of command stops at the Governor, not the President. And then you would have dissension among the regular military ranks as well, just like in the civil war.
    And to arm those men would be acceptable, even intelligent.

    But that's not what's happening. As it stands, anyone with a license in some states, or just plain anyone in other states, can get their hands on one.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the ERA? was never ratified. do you mean the 14th amendment which only recently incorporated the second (McDonald)? most state constitutions would have prevented such nonsense. Illinois was one of the few that didn't and several cities did that with handguns. it was a criminal workplace safety statute
    Yeah, the 14th Amendment. Corrected and summarily deleted in an edit for its lack of importance.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 12-20-10 at 11:55 PM.
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