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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I feel it necessary to say that, as a former member of the military, arming citizens is about the dumbest thing a revolting body could do. Citizens with guns will not pose a threat to the military, and they will not slow the military down. All arming the citizens will do is get those citizens killed.

    There's a major difference between insurgents and armed citizens, partisans and militias. You would not be creating a partisan army "a la Resistance" like the French did in the Second World War -- you would be creating a situation where the occupying military decides to shoot any male between 18 and 40.
    lets see if I understand your "thinking"

    a bunch of congresstypes decide to impose a dictatorship and tells the military to start oppressing people. so what do us 100 million armed citizens do-some of us who were on various olympic or world teams or say shot professionally? Do we stand in the street and bounce 30 caliber rounds off of a Tank? do we try to shoot down fighter planes with a shotgun? Nope, we find out the politicians who caused the problems and target them and their families. If you have 80 million people trying to kill you you better leave the country or dig a grave.

    If you can get within 800 meters of someone you can kill them.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I feel it necessary to say that, as a former member of the military, arming citizens is about the dumbest thing a revolting body could do. Citizens with guns will not pose a threat to the military, and they will not slow the military down. All arming the citizens will do is get those citizens killed.

    There's a major difference between insurgents and armed citizens, partisans and militias. You would not be creating a partisan army "a la Resistance" like the French did in the Second World War -- you would be creating a situation where the occupying military decides to shoot any male between 18 and 40.
    So the US just shoots Iraqi males on sight?

    ...or did you have another real-world example?

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    my only main point was infringment to you me or sally or john is all different.
    I havent done alot of research but I was probably going with Colt and was unaware S&W made them, im a gun rookie for the most part.

    I mean I belong to the gun club and shoot regularly but all the tech and specs I havent got into yet besides the basics

    knowing that S&W makes one ill probably go with them, I LOVE my walthers(made by S&W), like the chief too. The springfield is "quarky" and not as accurate as the P99 and has jammed, could be my maintenance style but the others havent.

    I still may get a Springfield compact, they are nice or maybe a S&W bodyguard but that uses .380 I dont want a bunch of different cals. all mine are currently .40
    NOt a fan of those super small autos. I carry a 38 revolver even though I was a master class action pistol shooter (shot Fred Craig built Para Ords in LImited, EAA Gold Team 9X21 with a C-More sight in Open, and EAA witness 40 in "Production"

    reliability is the main argument for the revolver. I load my own practice rounds (not carry rounds) and have dillons set up in 40, 38, 45 and 9 (9X21 on the big 1050)



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So the US just shoots Iraqi males on sight?

    ...or did you have another real-world example?
    He thinks the US military is going to shoot american citizens on sight?



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He thinks the US military is going to shoot american citizens on sight?
    As I understood his post, he thinks an occupying military in America would shoot males between 18 and 40 on sight were the American population armed.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOt a fan of those super small autos. I carry a 38 revolver even though I was a master class action pistol shooter (shot Fred Craig built Para Ords in LImited, EAA Gold Team 9X21 with a C-More sight in Open, and EAA witness 40 in "Production"

    reliability is the main argument for the revolver. I load my own practice rounds (not carry rounds) and have dillons set up in 40, 38, 45 and 9 (9X21 on the big 1050)
    im not exactly either but I like the ablity to conceal comfotably, i do carry one of the walthers at times but I havent got comfortable with it yet, more comfortable with the small gun, its weird

    maybe because its PA and not texas
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As I understood his post, he thinks an occupying military in America would shoot males between 18 and 40 on sight were the American population armed.
    they might-I doubt that such a plan would be workable. the only occuppying army i can see coming is internal



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So the US just shoots Iraqi males on sight?

    ...or did you have another real-world example?
    Sure. Check out any book on the Afghanistan War, the Iraq War, the Omani Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Algerian War... Pretty much any modern occupation. It's not exclusively the US that does so -- of course not. In fact, the US and the UK are rather good about that -- or atleast they're quiet. France is notoriously bad about it, as is Italy. Most third-world countries are bad about it, too (check out Darfur, Sudan, etc.). But in occupations, it's one of the unfortunately common, albeit hushed, methods of keeping a control on the region.

    Now, I'm not saying this happens on a day-by-day basis, but there're often procedures like, "We've located a head honcho of XYZ group, eliminate him and his supporters" which means him, anyone armed, and anyone looking like a combatant (males 18-40) in the vicinity.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    im not exactly either but I like the ablity to conceal comfotably, i do carry one of the walthers at times but I havent got comfortable with it yet, more comfortable with the small gun, its weird

    maybe because its PA and not texas
    I used to carry a beretta "minx' as a deep backup- 22 short. Jimmy Cirillo (RIP) carried one too-sometimes under a sweat band on his wrist even though later in life he advocated heavy stuff. he sure could shoot a model 10 really well though.

    that minx was really reliable even though you pretty much were confined to eye shots at close range.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Sure. Check out any book on the Afghanistan War, the Iraq War, the Omani Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Algerian War... Pretty much any modern occupation.
    Sure...name the book and give me a page number. Tomorrow I'll get the book and post a pic of that book stating such. Seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Now, I'm not saying this happens on a day-by-day basis, but there're often procedures like, "We've located a head honcho of XYZ group, eliminate him and his supporters" which means him, anyone armed, and anyone looking like a combatant (males 18-40) in the vicinity.
    That's not what you said. You're backpedaling. Book name and page number.

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