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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm way in favor of an armed populace. One of the main reasons for protecting the rights of people to have weapons is so that, if needed, we can overthrow the government. Putting all the weapons in the hands of military defeats this purpose. In practical terms, there's not much reason to restrict access to weapons. Availability of weapons is hardly the main factor in violent crime, and were we to solve the other issues that cause it, the weapons would not matter.

    I do think SOME restrictions are reasonable. Insane people probably shouldn't have access to dangerous firearms. I like the idea of a waiting period, to ensure that a weapon is purchased for longterm use, rather than based on a violent rage. But that simply makes it take a little longer to acquire a weapon. It does not prohibit the purchase of one.

    So yeah, generally support gun ownership. It's a good idea.
    waiting periods serve no useful purpose other than to make women subject to stalkers more vulnerable. and to backdoor outlaw gun shows. why should someone wait to buy a weapon when those already banned from owning one will not?



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Who's we? Certainly not Scalia.

    Originalism doesn't help gun rights, it hurts the pro-gun cause. Wise up, folks.
    NOt this nonsense again. the contrarian BS anti gun mendacity again. You aren't pro gun, you play games that you support the second amendment and then pretend it only guarantees rights to those who are in the militia which you then claim no longer has any use and should be eliminated.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    I think the document is very clear, you have a right to hang a pair of bear arms on your wall.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    I think the document is very clear, you have a right to hang a pair of bear arms on your wall.
    You trying to get on Ingrid Newkirk's sh it list?



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) it is illegal for a convicted felon or someone engaged in such activity to possess any firearm. Fully automatic or single shot.
    yes I know and I want that to continue??? lol

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    2) why should it be illegal for people with no records or other disqualifying features to buy Automatic weapons made after May 19, 1986
    it shouldnt thats ONE regulation I do disagree with but not all

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    3) those who buy drugs or sell drugs illegally easily buy and sell illegal arms on the black market
    yes they do, and thats a problem that needs fixed?????


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    4) every year the federal and local governments lose thousands of automatic weapons. Every year there are millions of AK type rifles, Swedish K (Carl Gustaf) submachine guns and other "obsolete" weapons of war on the world markets. During WWII, sten guns were made for less than 3 Pounds sterling per copy. anyone with a bridgeport lathe and HS metal shop can make a USA "M3" greasegun".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in other words, machine guns are easy to obtain if you don't mind breaking the federal and state laws. But Honest americans cannot buy the same rifles our tax dollars supply national guard units and big police departments with. That is outrageous
    I agree with that ONE regulation that shouldnt be

    IM guessing you didnt mean to qoute me because your post made know sense to things I said

    but on the subject of regulation I do NOT think that autos should be regulated the way they are, regulated? maybe but not a ban/not available for purchase ban.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    so what regulations do you want and why would they

    1) have a better than even chance of deterring criminals

    2) and will not infringe upon the rights of honest people



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what regulations do you want and why would they

    1) have a better than even chance of deterring criminals

    2) and will not infringe upon the rights of honest people
    1.) find with background checks and these needs done and has work, those are the facts, is the impact huge, medium or minimal? I dont know but its the better route than NO checks.

    2.) everything could infringe, maybe there is a gun store within miles of your house, should we make building them mandatory?

    yes I know thats an obnixious example, my only point is my definition of infringement and yours, or john doe, jane doe is different so who gets to pick them? by some people anything could be infringeful

    also not being familar with all the laws Ill just throw out ideas, Im fine with regulating extreme weapons, like RPGs, Bazookas etc lol

    fine with regulating autos BUT not a no buy regulation

    I was NOT fine when they were trying to limit the number of bullets clips could hold
    I am not fine with the reglation they HAD or HAVE on laser sights, not sure if those still are around or not?

    wht matters to me is that law abiding citzens have easy, reasonable access. When I got my guns I was in and out with in 20mins, two walther P99s (not the fully intergrade S&W versions), S&W chief special and Springfield XD

    Now with that said im think next year at tax time id like to get an AR15 type weapon, what problems will I run into? maybe theres more regulations I wont like?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    1.) find with background checks and these needs done and has work, those are the facts, is the impact huge, medium or minimal? I dont know but its the better route than NO checks.

    2.) everything could infringe, maybe there is a gun store within miles of your house, should we make building them mandatory?

    yes I know thats an obnixious example, my only point is my definition of infringement and yours, or john doe, jane doe is different so who gets to pick them? by some people anything could be infringeful

    also not being familar with all the laws Ill just throw out ideas, Im fine with regulating extreme weapons, like RPGs, Bazookas etc lol

    fine with regulating autos BUT not a no buy regulation

    I was NOT fine when they were trying to limit the number of bullets clips could hold
    I am not fine with the reglation they HAD or HAVE on laser sights, not sure if those still are around or not?

    wht matters to me is that law abiding citzens have easy, reasonable access. When I got my guns I was in and out with in 20mins, two walther P99s (not the fully intergrade S&W versions), S&W chief special and Springfield XD

    Now with that said im think next year at tax time id like to get an AR15 type weapon, what problems will I run into? maybe theres more regulations I wont like?
    I didn't get your point as to 2.

    PA doesn't have any magazine or semi auto bans to the best of my knowledge. for the money, the Smith and wesson or Rock River Arms tend to be just a bit nicer than the similarly priced Bushmaster, DPMS or Armalite AR 15s. I am not a fan of the olympic brand. Some of the off brands are OK like DoubleStar or Del-Ton. all are basically "parts guns" meaning the "maker" subcontracts stuff out.
    NOveseke or Lewis Machine Tool tend to be upper level and the Colts are generally good even though the colt lower receivers use "large pin" components compared to the others. The telescoping stocks make it easier for different people to use the guns. I like pure flat tops with flip up front and rear sights rather than the permanently attached carrying handle.

    The hot debate is over the traditional gas impingement operating system versus the "piston system" I have both and see no clear cut advantages to either. I like 1X9 inch barrels for general purpose and 1X8 for match. the 1X7 (colts) over spin the most common ammo-55 grain ball.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm way in favor of an armed populace. One of the main reasons for protecting the rights of people to have weapons is so that, if needed, we can overthrow the government. Putting all the weapons in the hands of military defeats this purpose. In practical terms, there's not much reason to restrict access to weapons. Availability of weapons is hardly the main factor in violent crime, and were we to solve the other issues that cause it, the weapons would not matter.

    I do think SOME restrictions are reasonable. Insane people probably shouldn't have access to dangerous firearms. I like the idea of a waiting period, to ensure that a weapon is purchased for longterm use, rather than based on a violent rage. But that simply makes it take a little longer to acquire a weapon. It does not prohibit the purchase of one.

    So yeah, generally support gun ownership. It's a good idea.
    I feel it necessary to say that, as a former member of the military, arming citizens is about the dumbest thing a revolting body could do. Citizens with guns will not pose a threat to the military, and they will not slow the military down. All arming the citizens will do is get those citizens killed.

    There's a major difference between insurgents and armed citizens, partisans and militias. You would not be creating a partisan army "a la Resistance" like the French did in the Second World War -- you would be creating a situation where the occupying military decides to shoot any male between 18 and 40.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I didn't get your point as to 2.

    PA doesn't have any magazine or semi auto bans to the best of my knowledge. for the money, the Smith and wesson or Rock River Arms tend to be just a bit nicer than the similarly priced Bushmaster, DPMS or Armalite AR 15s. I am not a fan of the olympic brand. Some of the off brands are OK like DoubleStar or Del-Ton. all are basically "parts guns" meaning the "maker" subcontracts stuff out.
    NOveseke or Lewis Machine Tool tend to be upper level and the Colts are generally good even though the colt lower receivers use "large pin" components compared to the others. The telescoping stocks make it easier for different people to use the guns. I like pure flat tops with flip up front and rear sights rather than the permanently attached carrying handle.

    The hot debate is over the traditional gas impingement operating system versus the "piston system" I have both and see no clear cut advantages to either. I like 1X9 inch barrels for general purpose and 1X8 for match. the 1X7 (colts) over spin the most common ammo-55 grain ball.
    my only main point was infringment to you me or sally or john is all different.
    I havent done alot of research but I was probably going with Colt and was unaware S&W made them, im a gun rookie for the most part.

    I mean I belong to the gun club and shoot regularly but all the tech and specs I havent got into yet besides the basics

    knowing that S&W makes one ill probably go with them, I LOVE my walthers(made by S&W), like the chief too. The springfield is "quarky" and not as accurate as the P99 and has jammed, could be my maintenance style but the others havent.

    I still may get a Springfield compact, they are nice or maybe a S&W bodyguard but that uses .380 I dont want a bunch of different cals. all mine are currently .40
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