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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah right, you got a single shred of anything to back that up? BTW, we don't only go by what is written, we consider the original intent of the legislators.
    Who's we? Certainly not Scalia.

    Originalism doesn't help gun rights, it hurts the pro-gun cause. Wise up, folks.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Gaw, not that again.


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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Gaw, not that again.


    I'm going to go wash some clothes, or sort socks, or something...
    Guess you didn't read the article I linked to

    Read the article. Even Randy Barnett agrees with me on this.

    Gun rights are important, I don't like seeing them set back by an end-justifies-the-means jurisprudence.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why would a criminal be worried about getting a gun legitimately when they can acquire one through illegal means? Seeing how private individuals do not have to do background checks then I am pretty sure that is another way a convicted felon can acquire a firearm. Again these anti-2nd amendment laws are only intended to disarm the law abiding or to make sure they are inadequately armed. They are not for the criminals who do not obey the law in the first place.
    so let me get this straight, I am by no means claiming they cant get guns, I know they can, thats like saying you cant get weed cause its illegal, thats dumb. What im saying is it would make it easier for them to get em because they would have two options, thats a fact, you cant be this illogical???

    how in the world do they disarm law abiding citizens? lol if you are a law abiding citizen you have no trouble getting a gun, it was very easy for me lol but keep making stuff up

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How do firearm registrations prevent or help police solve crimes?
    it doesnt help them SOLVE anything but it does make it harder for them to get guns because they only have one option, to illegally get them, now it still may be easy but TWO options makes it easier than ONE lmao





    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then please show me news stories of firearm registrations helping police solve crime or preventing crimes and please show me news stories of how a waiting period stopped someone from blowing out somebody's head instead of just going through illegal means to buy a gun or simply waiting a few days later.
    dude go find them are you seriously dumb enough to suggest this never happened, there was just a story this summer where I guy got rejected, used a fake name even or something cant rmember. The store owner called the cops and he was in fact planning on killing his wife, had stuff in his trunk to bury her. Google it, google gun store arrest or something dude LOL i dont need to waste my time proving facts because whether YOU believe them or not they dont change LMAO. It DOES help and have an impact period






    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If that nut can legally acquire a automatic shotgun then what would stop the regular joe from getting one? Criminals are not stupid they prey on the unarmed.No criminal is going to be stupid enough to attack a neighborhood of armed honest citizens. This is why mass shootings happen in places like schools where no body is armed.
    do you make this stuff up as you go? who said something would stop a regular joe from getting them? they can already so?
    criminals are criminals for a reason, yes they pick weaker prey but they are going to do bad regardless so Im not going to HELP them do bad.

    where is it that all these fantasy are? I can get a gun right now? where are all these restrictions stopping me "law abiding citizen" from getting a gun? thats right its you being dramatic LMAO


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Basically what it means. The government can not infringe on the 2nd amendment period.
    and its only your opinion and how YOU read the amendment. its still their job to do whats right and protect us, I have no trouble getting guns what so ever so my 2nd amendment rights are just fine LMAO



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No its not. That would require adding another amendment to the constitution to repeal or alter the 2nd amendment to allow for infringements.
    again YOUR opinion and amendments can be added or law clarified added too, subtracted from etc etc



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not merely my opinion it is a fact. You can not be pro-2nd amendment when you support infringements. There is no way around that.
    its not even CLOSE to a fact it is strictly your opinion and nothing more, rant and rave all you want lamo, its you opinion today and it will still be your opinion tomorrow

    Im am pro 2nd amendment YOU cant change that nor is it YOUR decision LMAO
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    I am for 2nd amendment gun rights, but I like them to be regulated like cars.

    If it's easier to get a license for a car than it is to get a gun, then there's something wrong. It should be made sure that people know comprehensive gun safety specific to the weapon they want to purchase, either through a test, or if they need it, an educational course, followed by a test. Tests should both be in theory and in practice.

    Also, it should be harder to get more dangerous weapons. For example, getting an assault rifle shouldn't be as easy as getting a low caliber hunting rifle for example, but I am in support of assault rifles being available, as long as they have stringent protections on who can get them. I draw the line about there. No RPGs, no nuclear weapons :P

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If you want to go by a strict reading, it reads "arms" not guns. Technically if a you have a big stick, you are armed.

    This is why strict readings can be somewhat useless in constitutional interpretation.
    Er, I'm afraid on this account you're wrong -- as a former member of the military, and a bit of a history buff to boot, I can tell you that then and now, "arms" means guns held by a person. Firearms. It means nothing else. "Guns", as a military term, means field-guns, artillery, or ship-mounted cannon.

    So, a pistol is an arm, and not a gun, and an arm is not a stick, but rather a rifle.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    We were not discussing current gun law. We were discussing whether or not all people, under any circumstance, be allowed to purchase a fire arm, no questions asked.
    ...That's a rather vague and ambiguous trap you set there.....

    Of course questions should be asked, and those question are limited to:
    Are you a citizen; Have you ever been found guilty of a violent felony, domestic violence, or child abuse?

    No registration. No permits. Yes you can carry concealed or open absolutely anywhere except hospitals and government buildings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    I find it odd that you seem to prefer killing the man over helping him in the first place, but that's a different subject.
    Sure, let's say I'm in the room when this guy walks in with a gun. I just whip out my time machine and travel back to when his mommy didn't hold him enough, because obviously EVERYONE's hobby is going back in time and fixing everyone else.

    I suppose you'll require background checks on time machines next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Ultra-righties really still believe people actually want their guns and bibles?
    Yes, I'm one such person who wants my firearm and bible. You don't want yours? How much are you selling it for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Really? Those wars are pretty well over, son, if they ever existed in the first place.
    OK dad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    This year, the NRA convention was a joke. There is no pending legislation, restricting guns doesn't appear in the Democratic platform anymore, and the Supreme Court has settled the issue (Dems tend to actually respect Supreme Court decisions, even when we don't like them). So this year, instead of addressing 2ed amendment issues, it was a good old fashioned ultra-conservative political barn-burner. The speaker list was fascinating. Look it up sometime. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the NRA has become another professional right organization bilking paranoid people.
    So in other words, politics same as usual.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Er, I'm afraid on this account you're wrong -- as a former member of the military, and a bit of a history buff to boot, I can tell you that then and now, "arms" means guns held by a person. Firearms. It means nothing else. "Guns", as a military term, means field-guns, artillery, or ship-mounted cannon.

    So, a pistol is an arm, and not a gun, and an arm is not a stick, but rather a rifle.


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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    I'm way in favor of an armed populace. One of the main reasons for protecting the rights of people to have weapons is so that, if needed, we can overthrow the government. Putting all the weapons in the hands of military defeats this purpose. In practical terms, there's not much reason to restrict access to weapons. Availability of weapons is hardly the main factor in violent crime, and were we to solve the other issues that cause it, the weapons would not matter.

    I do think SOME restrictions are reasonable. Insane people probably shouldn't have access to dangerous firearms. I like the idea of a waiting period, to ensure that a weapon is purchased for longterm use, rather than based on a violent rage. But that simply makes it take a little longer to acquire a weapon. It does not prohibit the purchase of one.

    So yeah, generally support gun ownership. It's a good idea.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    you like putting words in peoples mouths dont you LOL
    who said background checks stop criminals from getting guns? oh thats right not me thats just something you said to try and make a point nobody was arguing against lol

    also the same COULD be said but as long as its regulated within reason Im totally fine with it

    guess Ill be dramatic to and exaggerate.
    I dont want nutballs to have "easier" access to fully automatic guns with explosive rounds lol

    "i" am a law abiding citizen so I like other law abiding citzens have no problem getting arms so like I said Im fine with the regulations.
    1) it is illegal for a convicted felon or someone engaged in such activity to possess any firearm. Fully automatic or single shot.

    2) why should it be illegal for people with no records or other disqualifying features to buy Automatic weapons made after May 19, 1986

    3) those who buy drugs or sell drugs illegally easily buy and sell illegal arms on the black market

    4) every year the federal and local governments lose thousands of automatic weapons. Every year there are millions of AK type rifles, Swedish K (Carl Gustaf) submachine guns and other "obsolete" weapons of war on the world markets. During WWII, sten guns were made for less than 3 Pounds sterling per copy. anyone with a bridgeport lathe and HS metal shop can make a USA "M3" greasegun".

    in other words, machine guns are easy to obtain if you don't mind breaking the federal and state laws. But Honest americans cannot buy the same rifles our tax dollars supply national guard units and big police departments with. That is outrageous



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