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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Why do you insist on saying rude things like "wipe the snot off your face"? Does that make you feel macho or like you will win the Lew Rockewell Award this month?

    I reviewed the last 12 pages and found no answer to my question. Is it so difficult for you to clearly state your position here? you wanted to make this smart aleck remark skewering leftists for interpreting the Constitution. Fine. Do you or do you not believe that the Constitution is open to interpretation?

    Its a very straight forward question that you have yet to provide a straight forward answer.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you insist on saying rude things like "wipe the snot off your face"?
    Its an appropriate response to petulance.

    I reviewed the last 12 pages and found no answer to my question.
    Then you did not look haed enough. Try the last 2-3.

    Is it so difficult for you to clearly state your position here?
    I've already stated it - twice.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    is this what you think is a straight forward answer?

    However, what I said is not a statement that the Constitution is not open to interpretation - it is a statement describing the only way leftists can get things done.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    is this what you think is a straight forward answer?
    Sigh.
    You need to at leaset TRY.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059107302

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    and it is utterly absurd how you can keep doing this glibertarian dance routine for eleven pages now without ever giving a straight answer to a direct question.

    Lew Rockwell would be proud. And all thirty-eight of his readers salute you.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and it is utterly absurd how you can keep doing this glibertarian dance routine for eleven pages now without ever giving a straight answer to a direct question.

    Lew Rockwell would be proud. And all thirty-eight of his readers salute you.
    It seems like Lew Rockwell is your scapegoat for everything. I knew you were referring to him when you talked about the Libertarian's "opposition" to the 14th Amendment.

    One man DOES NOT represent an entire ideological movement.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and it is utterly absurd how you can keep doing this glibertarian dance routine for eleven pages now without ever giving a straight answer to a direct question.
    I'm sorry -- your question has been directly answered.
    You can address that answer directly, or you can avoid doing so. Your call.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Judicial Review came about in Marbury v Madison, where the court decided that it had the power to decide that it had the power of Judicial Review.
    Prior to that no such power existed.
    true and with guns here is what happened. for 100+ years the USSC and other courts never really dealt with the issue until reconstruction when the KKK dominated legislatures tried to disarm freed slaves. Then the courts intervened and the Cruikshank decision noted the the second amendment created no rights only guaranteed them. Yet it was not a big issue. But at the turn of the century. "papist" immigrants combined with the spread of more modern machine tools-meant that the WASPS who ran the big cities started seeing lots if Irish and Italian immigrants with guns. So state and some federal courts and their buddies in the legislative bodies tried to disarm what they saw were undesireables with guns. These politicians used their power to pass laws and interpret them to basically ignore the second amendment and similar state constitutions. I believe the first really bad ruling was Kansas around 1906. THis culiminated with the "Sullivan law" (by then NYC was run by Irish and it was Italian Longshoreman-often victims of crooked irish cops-that the cit fathers wanted to disarm) and of course the 1934 NFA designed to get the al capones and Bugsy Malone types by imposing an extremely expensive tax on machine guns.

    THe only reason why we had years of bad jurisprudence was the dishonesty and racism of judges who used their powers to disarm "papists" and blacks etc. They all knew that the second amendment banned federal gun restrictions but achieving their agendas trumped honestly



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Hey -- YOO HOO!!!!!

    The Supreme Court heard 12 cases prior to Marbury. 12.

    Why do you persist on saying "hundreds" when that's been pointed out to you several times already?
    much dishonesty I see Master Yoda!



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you insist on saying rude things like "wipe the snot off your face"? Does that make you feel macho or like you will win the Lew Rockewell Award this month?

    I reviewed the last 12 pages and found no answer to my question. Is it so difficult for you to clearly state your position here? you wanted to make this smart aleck remark skewering leftists for interpreting the Constitution. Fine. Do you or do you not believe that the Constitution is open to interpretation?

    Its a very straight forward question that you have yet to provide a straight forward answer.
    The second amendment should not be open to interpretation. The only reason why it has been was due to the dishonesty of the FDR court



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