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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Does not matter. Even the "people" are US citizens, not foreign nationals.
    You're entirely wrong, you can say it all you like, but it doesn't make it true, leftie. Just look at the Constitution, they say citizen when they mean citizen, and they saye people when they meant to refer to everybody including non citizens. Take Article II Section 1, where they say that the president must be a citizen. The framers were very careful with their words and they meant what they said. Why do liberals always want to re-write the constitution?

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have dozens of Founder quotes explaining exactly what they intended the 2A to mean.

    Show similar support for your position and your argument might be worth debating. As it is, you are simply being disingenuous. Would you seriously wish to set aside as irrelevant the words of the men who wrote the thing?

    Nonsense.
    Why do I need to quote the people who wrote the second amendment to see where they said that they meant what they said? Why do I need to dredge up some quote from an arbitrary founding father just because you do? Their personal letters and documents aren't binding law. You've got dozens, provide them then. But dozens of quotes that aren't binding law don't match the persuasiveness of the text of the second amendment itself, and nowhere does the second amendment place a citizenship requirement or mental health requirement on gun ownership.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're entirely wrong, you can say it all you like, but it doesn't make it true, leftie. Just look at the Constitution, they say citizen when they mean citizen, and they saye people when they meant to refer to everybody including non citizens. Take Article II Section 1, where they say that the president must be a citizen. The framers were very careful with their words and they meant what they said. Why do liberals always want to re-write the constitution?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Show similar support for your position and your argument might be worth debating. As it is, you are simply being disingenuous. Would you seriously wish to set aside as irrelevant the words of the men who wrote the thing?
    Here, i'll do you one better:
    http://www.trolp.org/main_pgs/issues/v11n1/Volokh.pdf

    State constitutions from the same time the Federal Constitution was written would make provisions for protecting gun ownership rights referencing either citizens specifically or "people" to be inclusive of noncitizens. It's well known that the second amendment was intended to apply to noncitizens by the framers.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Here is the text of the 2nd amendment.



    Going strictly by what is written, restrictions on the purchase of firearms seem to be constitutional. Agree or disagree?

    Note that I'm not asking whether they are a good idea or not, that's a separate debate. I'm only asking whether they are constitutional.
    I voted other

    Constitutional rights can be restricted through due process and thus federal laws banning convicted felons from buying firearms is probably constitutional based on current interpretations of the commerce clause. However, the current interpretations of the commerce clause clearly violate its obvious and original intent so federal laws concerning firearms violate the tenth amendment.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It could also mean weapons grade plutonium. Which, I think we can all agree on, shouldn't be made publicly available.
    not really true-the founders were intending individual militia weapons such as swords, rifles, pistols, sabers, muskets, dirks, and bayonets. Not cannon or bombs.



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How do you support that, since the constitution only mentions that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It says absolutely nothing about the right to purchase or sell arms.
    geeez-if you are restricted in your ability to obtain a weapon that infringes on your right to bear that weapon. DUH

    it would be like requiring a poll tax on registering to vote and claiming well that really doesn't restrict your right to actually vote



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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Other than trying to buy a nuclear bomb, I dont think any restrictions on buying firearms should be in place.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're entirely wrong, you can say it all you like, but it doesn't make it true, leftie. Just look at the Constitution, they say citizen when they mean citizen, and they saye people when they meant to refer to everybody including non citizens. Take Article II Section 1, where they say that the president must be a citizen. The framers were very careful with their words and they meant what they said. Why do liberals always want to re-write the constitution?
    stop trolling Guy. Blackdog is no lefty and you are well known for your contrarian games on this subject. You are the liberal not BD.
    Why don't you tell us what you think the second amendment means and what you want or don't want in gun control rather constantly attacking other peoples' positions without ever really defending one on your own.



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