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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and this whole thing began five pages ago with this comment from Goobieman
    So I ask again of you,
    Do you agree with the leftists you criticize that the Constitution and laws are open to interpretation?
    Or do you hold that the Constitiuion and laws are NOT open to interpretation?
    We accept your concession of the point.

    http://law.onecle.com/ussc/5/5-us-1.html
    The Constitution isnt even mentioned in the case.
    The document, anyway.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Boy but you folks like to don the referee shirt and render a verdict don't you? And surprise surprise, you always render a verdict which has you winning and the other side losing. That is amazing.

    The only thing I have conceded is making an error in the number I was using. And the number is irrelevant to the principle involved and the fundamental difference between the power to interpret the law and the Constitution and the power to use that to then declare something as unconstitutional. One power (to interpret the law and Constitution) is used in the application of the second (judicial review) .
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Harshaw - if I erred in the number, I am sorry for doing so. Regardless if it was one case, ten cases, twelve cases or more, they had to interpret the law to do anything before them. How can they apply the law if they do not first explain what the law means at least to each other? They did this in every case before Marbury.
    You are equivocating. No one said courts don't interpret "laws." This was about interpreting the Constitution, and prior to Marbury.

    I've asked you repeatedly now to show how that was done. You're making the claim. Show it.

    And no, the mere fact that the Supreme Court heard cases isn't enough. Not every case has Constitutional issues. In fact, most don't.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Boy but you folks like to don the referee shirt and render a verdict don't you? And surprise surprise, you always render a verdict which has you winning and the other side losing.
    The truth may hurt, but it is still the truth.
    Disagree?
    Cite the Constitutional question in the 5 pre-Marbury cases I provided and the court's ruling pursuant to same.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Boy but you folks like to don the referee shirt and render a verdict don't you? And surprise surprise, you always render a verdict which has you winning and the other side losing. That is amazing.
    It's nobody's fault that you are consistently wrong but your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Boy but you folks like to don the referee shirt and render a verdict don't you? And surprise surprise, you always render a verdict which has you winning and the other side losing. That is amazing.
    Need a tissue? Your fail is entirely your own.


    The only thing I have conceded is making an error in the number I was using. And the number is irrelevant to the principle involved and the fundamental difference between the power to interpret the law and the Constitution
    Nope. You kept saying "hundreds" because in a number of cases that large (so you imply), there would have had to have been plenty of interpretation of the Constitution. That's why you kept insisting it was "hundreds."


    One power (to interpret the law and Constitution) is used in the application of the second (judicial review) .
    Then go for it, champ. Let's see how they did it. I mean, come on -- in 12 cases with 11 decisions issued, this shouldn't be a tough order.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    You know what I find so adorably cute here? You libertarians stick together like glue and defend each other with such loyalty and fervor. It reminds of the Pink Lady gang from GREASE. In a dog eat dog world its cute that you all do this for each other because you all subscribe to the same ideology and have all swallowed the same kool-aid.

    And my point is simple no matter how many frankenstien monsters you want to construct to deflect from it.

    There is a difference between the power to interpret the law and the power to use that in the use of the additional power of Judicial Review. But some of you are like a little mangey dog who has grabbed onto a bone and cannot let it go... even if its not the bone of contention.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You know what I find so adorably cute here? You libertarians stick together like glue and defend each other with such loyalty and fervor. It reminds of the Pink Lady gang from GREASE. In a dog eat dog world its cute that you all do this for each other because you all subscribe to the same ideology and have all swallowed the same kool-aid.

    And my point is simple no matter how many frankenstien monsters you want to construct to deflect from it.

    There is a difference between the power to interpret the law and the power to use that in the use of the additional power of Judicial Review. But some of you are like a little mangey dog who has grabbed onto a bone and cannot let it go... even if its not the bone of contention.
    Like I said, it always winds up with an ad hominem.

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    Ad hominem is attack. i was praising your unflinching loyalty to each of your fellow True Believers. It is inspiring and rare in a cold and cruel world. What makes it even more rare is how you completely will ignore the defects in your own fellows arguments or are so easy to forgive their errors. We live in a world where everyone seems to be saying "Spartacus? You want Spartacus? Thats him right there." You folks cling to the old fashioned virtues of sticking together no matter what.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Like I said, it always winds up with an ad hominem.
    Yep. Always.

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