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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Anything on the actual topic haymarket or is it simple baiting and trolling here?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Judicial review is the doctrine under which legislative and executive actions are subject to review, and possible invalidation, by the judiciary.
    That is the lead defining line from the Wikipedia article. Other authoritative sources agree.
    Yes. That's what the SCotUS does when determining if something is Constitutional - when they "interpret the constitution": They take it under Judicial Review.

    You havent taken/passed civics 101 yet, have you?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    And I too could not care less about your qualification.... until you offer your opinion as a source of authority over other objective sources. Then it is right and proper and well within the standard tradition of debate principles to ask about them. You do know about long established debate principles and traditions don't you?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I too could not care less about your qualification.... until you offer your opinion as a source of authority over other objective sources. Then it is right and proper and well within the standard tradition of debate principles to ask about them. You do know about long established debate principles and traditions don't you?

    Anything on the topic, champ?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I too could not care less about your qualification.... until you offer your opinion as a source of authority over other objective sources. Then it is right and proper and well within the standard tradition of debate principles to ask about them. You do know about long established debate principles and traditions don't you?
    Question:

    Do you or do you NOT support a person's right to defend himself?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I too could not care less about your qualification.... until you offer your opinion as a source of authority over other objective sources. Then it is right and proper and well within the standard tradition of debate principles to ask about them. You do know about long established debate principles and traditions don't you?
    Right, so you're baiting, as usual. Glad we got that nailed down.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. That's what the SCotUS does when determining if something is Constitutional - when they "interpret the constitution".

    You havent taken/passed civics 101 yet, have you?
    You are confusing two different things simply because they are in the province of the Supreme Court.

    The power to interpret the Constitution and laws passed by legislative bodies is inherent in the very establishment of courts in this nation. we only have three branches of government and neither of the other two claims that power as it traditionally is in the province of the judicial branch in states and even in other nations with the same traditions. This was nothing new or revolutionary.

    The power of Judicial Review- as already cited and explained - is a different power altogether. With its assertion, the SC claimed the power to rule acts of Congress and lower courts as unconstitutional or invalid. It is a completely and totally different thing than interpreting the laws to tell us their meaning.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are confusing two different things simply because they are in the province of the Supreme Court.
    No, no I am not.
    The power of Judicial Review - the power to intepret the constitution and apply that interpretation to the case at hand - was established in Marbury, and did not exist before that. Nothing in the Constitution directly gives any court the power to rule on if/how something is constitutional or not.

    If the Supreme, or any other, Court already had the power to interpret the Constituiton, Marbury would not have been necessary.

    Your lack of knowledge on this subject precludes you from having an intelligent discussion regarding same.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Question:

    Do you or do you NOT support a person's right to defend himself?


    Note the lack of answer.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, no I am not.
    The power of Judicial Review - the power to intepret the constitution and apply that interpretation to the case at hand - was established in Marbury, and did not exist before that. Nothing in the Constitution directly gives any court the power to rule on if/how something is constitutional or not.

    If the Supreme, or any other, Court already had the power to interpret the Constituiton, Marbury would not have been necessary.

    Your lack of knowledge on this subject precludes you from having an intelligent discussion regarding same.
    What in the hell do you think the SC was doing in case after case that came before it in the years before Marbury vs. Madison?

    They were applying the law and interpreting the law as they saw it. They did this in hundreds of cases long before the power of Judicial review was ever claimed by them. It is not the same thing no matter how much you want to claim it is.

    But again, tell me what the hell the SC was doing with the law in the years before Marbury if they were not interpreting the law.

    Can you do that for me please?
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