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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, I imagine that difference is ones own perspectives and beliefs about a certain issue and if the current SC interpretation agrees with you or not.
    No, not really. The dead gieaway is wheen the court uses terms like "eminations" and "peumbras".

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's not even really tasked with doing that. It's tasked with being a court. It doesn't actually do all that much determination of constitutionality.
    Really what it is is the ultimate appellate court, so yeah, I agree.
    Last edited by Coronado; 11-17-10 at 03:26 PM. Reason: Clarity.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The Supreme Court is not tasked with interpreting the Constitution. It is tasked with examining laws and determining whether those laws are at variance with the Constitution. Your idea that the Court interprets the Constitution is a non-starter.
    I am not aware of your credentials to make this determination or if you are merely giving a laymans uneducated opinion. This source says it is very much a power of the SC to interpret the Constitution.

    Answers.com - What are the powers of the US Supreme Court

    of course, they are probably not a poster here who leans Libertarian which disqualfies them in the eyes of some here.

    and this

    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_intr.html
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not aware of your credentials to make this determination or if you are merely giving a laymans uneducated opinion. This source says it is very much a power of the SC to interpret the Constitution.
    Judicial Review came about in Marbury v Madison, where the court decided that it had the power to decide that it had the power of Judicial Review.
    Prior to that no such power existed.

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    No person is discussing Judicial review. We are talking about interpreting the Constitution.

    here is another source that says this is what they do

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/supreme_court.htm

    to take the position that the SC does NOT interpret the laws is to deny two centuries of exactly what they have done. I really cannot believe this discussion is even taking place.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not aware of your credentials to make this determination or if you are merely giving a laymans uneducated opinion. This source says it is very much a power of the SC to interpret the Constitution.
    I am aware of my credentials and they are more than sufficient to make such an opinion. Not that this addresses the point, since it is merely an ad hominem argument (apparently I can predict the future!).

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Answers.com - What are the powers of the US Supreme Court

    of course, they are probably not a poster here who leans Libertarian which disqualfies them in the eyes of some here.


    I'm sorry, I too made the mistake that you were attempting to do something other than bait. It won't happen again, I promise.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No person is discussing Judicial review. We are talking about interpreting the Constitution.
    Um... what do you think Judicial Review is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I am aware of my credentials and they are more than sufficient to make such an opinion. Not that this addresses the point, since it is merely an ad hominem argument (apparently I can predict the future!).



    I'm sorry, I too made the mistake that you were attempting to do something other than bait. It won't happen again, I promise.
    If you are offering your opinion as a source of expert opinion over other submitted sources, then it is perfectly right and indeed proper to ask about them. There is nothing fallacious or improper about that. That is a time honored basic in debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Um... what do you think Judicial Review is?
    Judicial review is the doctrine under which legislative and executive actions are subject to review, and possible invalidation, by the judiciary.

    That is the lead defining line from the Wikipedia article. Other authoritative sources agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you are offering your opinion as a source of expert opinion over other submitted sources, then it is perfectly right and indeed proper to ask about them. There is nothing fallacious or improper about that.
    Yeah, but I'm one of those damned libertarians, which disqualifies me in the eyes of some here.

    My qualifications are none of your ****ing business, by the way. Other than the fact that they heavily outweigh yours, that is.

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