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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    First off, I'm not a statist, I'm a realist. I don't deny that rights exist, I just deny the magical, ethereal rights that you seem to believe in. Rights come from society. They have no meaning outside of society. There are some rights that you have that come from the nation in which you live. There are some which come from your state. There are some that come from your town or city. I'm sure that you even have some, even though they're probably not written down anywhere, that only apply within your house and with your family. When you go from one place to another, your collective set of rights changes. You can't go to someone else's house and demand that you have "rights" that only apply at your place. You can't go to another country and demand that your rights from home necessarily apply. They'll laugh at you, just before they either put you in prison or shoot you.

    I always find it absurd that the people who claim there are these magical rights that always exist also demand that it's the rights in their own country that are correct. When you get indocrtinated into them, they always seem correct, especially to people who haven't bothered to actually think about the situation rationally.

    Why don't you give it a shot?



    You bore me with your vague nonsensical opining. What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment, and the USC?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How exactly does that follow? The Constitution is a guideline, it is not a set of hard and fast rules that can never change.
    No... The Constitution is a set of hard and fast rules that can change.
    Of course, there's a procedure for that change; if you want to change it you use that procedure.

    Fact of the matter is, the Constitution protects a fundamental right of the people from infringement. Potential infringements to fundamental rights are subject to strict scrutiny.
    You don't get to ignore those things just because you think its a good idea.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No such thing as inalienable rights, sorry.
    You say, until one of yours is threatened.

    Even keeping to the 2nd Amendment, you can lose your "inalienable right" to bear arms quite easily.
    No one argues against due process being able to take people rights. The difference, of course, is that you lose your right because of someting you have done.

    The 2nd Amendment doesn't give you rights to own firearms unless you're a felon.
    The 2A doesnt give you any rights, period.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not saying new with every person, but it's clear that they are not clear and unambiguous, that's why we have a Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution as new situations come up.
    Where, exactly, do you think "strict scrutiny' comes from?

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    I do not think that this debate can be either way. The Constitution is simply old old, too vague, and too open to someones interpretation.
    Of course, restrictions must be, to the dismay of the gun-lovers.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not think that this debate can be either way. The Constitution is simply old old, too vague, and too open to someones interpretation.
    Of course, restrictions must be, to the dismay of the gun-lovers.




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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not think that this debate can be either way. The Constitution is simply old old, too vague, and too open to someones interpretation.
    Of course, restrictions must be, to the dismay of the gun-lovers.
    Age has nothing to do with it.

    It's general, but that's not the same thing as "vague."

    It's not as open to interpretation as many claim it is.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not think that this debate can be either way. The Constitution is simply old old, too vague, and too open to someones interpretation.
    Of course, restrictions must be, to the dismay of the gun-lovers.
    Please tell me you dont actually believe this.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Please tell me you dont actually believe this.
    Of course he does. The only way leftists can get anything does is to exploit the "too old, too vague, and too open to someones interpretation: nature of the Constitution.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    So the Constitution is NOT open to interpretation?
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