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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The funny thing is citing a circuit judge to counter a supreme court justice when its clear that you really don't understand the position of either
    Even funnier is nine exalted people, selected for their intelligence and open minds to make logical decisions, playing politics.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of obsessed nuts going off on things they know nothing about, what could possibly be "uncivilized" about sport shooting?
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    If you want to make hunting a real sport, give the deer rifles...

    ricksfolly

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    If you want to make hunting a real sport, give the deer rifles...
    One of these days you're going to run out of bumper sticker slogans.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    One of these days you're going to run out of bumper sticker slogans.
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    Glad you brought it up... Bumper stickers and graffiti are the only words all people can relate with and consistently understand. They may not agree with them. but they definitely know what they mean.

    No other form of literature can make the same claim.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
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    Glad you brought it up... Bumper stickers and graffiti are the only words all people can relate with and consistently understand.
    That certainly explains the content of your posts - but, you're doing the best you can, and that's all anyone can ask.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    >>

    If you want to make hunting a real sport, give the deer rifles...

    ricksfolly
    I didn't ask about hunting.

    I asked about sport shooting.
    If you feel a need to "reinterpret" the Constitution, you must know that what you want to do is unconstitutional.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post



    :


    What the Founders of the US said about guns:


    On what is the militia:
    Not a single one of those quotations you cite disproved the fact that the second amendment is a conditional sentence. Ergo, the original intent of the second amendment can only be interpreted to mean that when a well-regulated militia ceases to be necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms may be infringed. That's just what the sentence means.

    Let's analyze your quotes, Goshin, to see exactly if they help your case:

    George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
    Debates, 425-426)

    Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
    include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)
    These simply describe what a militia is composed of, and do not bear on the conditionality of the second amendment. Nobody is disputing the fact that the militia is composed of the people.

    In fact, these quotes do you more harm that good, Goshin. The quotes above cannot reasonably be construed to include the National Guard asa type of "militia," thus they prove that the militia as the Framers understood it doesn't exist any more.


    Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)
    Considering that he was writing at a time when militias were still commonplace, I don't see how this bears on the conditionality of the second amendment whatsoever.

    Samual Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
    States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." (Convention of the Commonwealth
    of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)
    I'm sorry, what was Samuel Adams's role in writing the Constitution?

    Even assuming he did have a role in writing the second amendment, there is nothing in this quotation that demonstrates a right to gun ownership in the Constitution, merely that the Constitution does not preclude gun ownership.


    As for the rest of your quotations, they don't really bear on the issue at all. Like I said, I don't think that cherry-picking from the writings of the founding fathers is a good way to determine what the law is, but if you are going to do that you might want to at least cherry pick quotes that actually provide support for your position.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of obsessed nuts going off on things they know nothing about, what could possibly be "uncivilized" about sport shooting?
    He must be related to clay pigeons?
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    One of these days you're going to run out of bumper sticker slogans.
    when you see nonsense like that you know you are dealing with a serious hater of hunters.
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Even funnier is nine exalted people, selected for their intelligence and open minds to make logical decisions, playing politics.

    ricksfolly
    yeah, the supreme court never should have had to rule on the second amendment. sadly there are politicians whose views on an obvious right are as loony as the stuff you write on the subject and that is why we needed a ruling. for the first 150 or so years, the right was obvious and the federal government didn't try to screw around with our rights on this subject
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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