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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    He said by DEFINITION it was wrong. Not by code. If he meant something different, he should have said so.



    so you have no point then as it relates to the topic and just have gotcha debate style left?


    Even by your definition it refers to "all abled bodied males"...


    The militia is all of the people.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well, lets see:


    All three of these things precude the milita being the standing army and/or the police force because the militia isnt "standing" and the police isnt related to the military.
    What it doesn't preclude are the National Guard, military reservists and military draftees, none of which get to bring their guns from home. All of these are "well-organized". What you're really talking about is a bunch of back-woods yahoos with an agenda and firearms.

    Actually, what really fits your bill is Al-Qaeda. Nice to know who you idolize.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    so you have no point then as it relates to the topic and just have gotcha debate style left?


    Even by your definition it refers to "all abled bodied males"...


    The militia is all of the people.
    Wasn't when the 2nd Amendment was written. While it doesn't specify, in practice it was only white able-bodied landowning males.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wasn't when the 2nd Amendment was written. While it doesn't specify, in practice it was only white able-bodied landowning males.




    21st Century: Federally-organized or not
    In the 2008 decision of the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, the de jure definition of "militia" as used in United States jurisprudence was discussed. The court's opinion made explicit, in its obiter dicta, that the term "militia", as used in colonial times in this originalist decision, included both the federally-organized militia and the citizen-organized militias of the several States: "... the 'militia' in colonial America consisted of a subset of 'the people'—those who were male, able-bodied, and within a certain age range" (7) ... Although the militia consists of all able-bodied men, the federally organized militia may consist of a subset of them"(23).[54]


    O really?


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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Be sure to point out when you find the women-only militias or the black-only militias of the 1700s. I'll wait... a long, long, long time.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Be sure to point out when you find the women-only militias or the black-only militias of the 1700s. I'll wait... a long, long, long time.

    Let me know when you decide on a spot for this.


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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What it doesn't preclude are the National Guard, military reservists and military draftees, none of which get to bring their guns from home.
    All of these are part of the standing army. Not sure why you think this supports your point,

    Actually, what really fits your bill is Al-Qaeda. Nice to know who you idolize.
    If I were as poorly-informed in the issue of the right arms as you, I'd be forced to make such infantile comments as well. Except that I'm not infantile.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    The original amendment clearly states, "Guns are only legal for a well regulated state militia..."

    Original Second Amendment... A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed...

    Spin, spin, spin, little NRA spiders, but you can't convince me, or other unafraid clear thinkers, that street guns are constitutionally legal.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The original amendment clearly states, "Guns are only legal for a well regulated state militia..."

    The founding fathers,

    The US Constitution,

    SCOTUS

    US Code


    These are all things that disagree with you.



    Original Second Amendment... A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed...

    Spin, spin, spin, little NRA spiders, but you can't convince me, or other unafraid clear thinkers, that street guns are constitutionally legal.

    ricksfolly


    What is a "street gun" and can you, point to any evidence of your hoplophobic claim?
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Spin, spin, spin, little NRA spiders, but you can't convince me [...]
    Considering you just make up history all by yourself, I would tend to agree.

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