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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This is a straw man and a judgement on my position because I feel it isn't unconstitutional to regulate gun sales. My brother is a hunter, I have no problem with hunting weapons.
    Are there any "sniper weapons" that are not effective hunting weapons?
    You ddo know that any number of "sniper rifles" are militarized hunting rifles -- right?

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Here's some more from that article:
    Completely absent any original source material that supports your (or his) claim. Thus, meanigless.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so tell me what is the difference between a sniper rifle and a hunting rifle and a 1000M target rifle
    My 1000m rife has a shiny stainless barrel.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    At the time, I'm sure they were. Again, they lived in an entirely different era where there were no police forces, they had little choice in the matter.
    You think that;s changed? That the threates facing the life, safety and welfare of the average person is so slight that they have no need of a means to defend themselves?


    Prior to the Civil War and for quite a ways beyond it in fact, "the people" meant whites and you know it. It also meant white males, specifically land owners. Learn some history.
    Doesnt change the fact that "the people" means the same wherever it is used.

    I oppose it. What does that have to do with the 2nd amendment?
    If you're limiting the protections of the constitution to the technology of the time it was written, then there's no way to argue that ther 4th amendment protects intercontinental telephone communicatiuons.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Today, the well-regulated militia is the standing military and law enforcement forces.
    BY defintion, this is necessarily wrong.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    From past experience, the freedom of speech has a rational basis applied to it, and it works just fine.
    Cite one instance.

    I haven't heard of the three levels of scrutiny....
    Yhen how could you possibly, with any credibility, make the statement, above?

    but from what you're telling me, a rational basis is allowable, under the compelling state interest requirement, and further under the narrowly tailored requirement, it comes down to the semantics of a law.
    No. Your understanding of this is utterly deficient.
    That's not really your fault nor is it a point of degradation for you -- but it does mean that you really cannot have this conversation,

    Screw "strict scrutiny" then. If you can convince the majority of Americans...
    Fundamental rights should be subject to the whim of a simple majority?
    Arent you, in a single-minded attempt to justify infringemens of the right to arms, throwing the baby out with th ebath water?

    There are plenty of compelling interests in this case
    That government, local state and federal, has been able to funtion w/o this restriction for more than a couple centuries indicates that this is not true,

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    BY defintion, this is necessarily wrong.
    How is that wrong? Looking up the definition of the word:

    1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
    b : a body of citizens organized for military service
    2: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

    Militia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Sounds like the standing military, complete with the possible draft, and law enforcement forces to me.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How is that wrong? Looking up the definition of the word:

    1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
    b : a body of citizens organized for military service
    2: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

    Militia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Sounds like the standing military, complete with the possible draft, and law enforcement forces to me.


    Still not looking up the US code I cited I see.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How is that wrong? Looking up the definition of the word:
    Well, lets see:

    1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
    b : a body of citizens organized for military service
    2: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
    All three of these things precude the milita being the standing army and/or the police force because the militia isnt "standing" and the police isnt related to the military.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Still not looking up the US code I cited I see.
    He said by DEFINITION it was wrong. Not by code. If he meant something different, he should have said so.
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