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Thread: 2nd amendment rights.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ID and a criminal background search etc are not restrictions and are not restricting your rights to own a weapon. They are just checks to make certain you are a responsible individual.

    Get a clue, we live in a society with many individuals so some safety checks (not restrictions) are valid and completely constitutional.
    You're entitled to your opinion, you don't have to get all defensive about it. I'm just surprised about what a far-leftie you are, that's all.

    But to return to the original topic, the second amendment doesn't protect the rights of "legal US citizens of sound mind to keep and bear arms" from being infringed. I believe the exact word is the right of the "people" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We apply to first amendment to foreigners, why not the second? We apply the first amendment to the mentally unsound, why not the second?

    Liberals like you might want to re-write the constitution, and that's your prerogative as a socialist to do so. But those of us who care about what the original intent of the Framers was have very different views...

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    As I specifically pointed out in the OP, that's not the question I'm asking.

    Is it or is it not constitutional to restrict the sale/purchase of firearms?
    It is not constitutional to restrict the weapons I mentiond from purchase etc to a US citizen of sound mind.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is not constitutional to restrict the weapons I mentiond from purchase etc to a US citizen of sound mind.
    Nor is there a ristriction on unsound minds either, you're basically putting words in the founders mouths.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is not constitutional to restrict the weapons I mentiond from purchase etc to a US citizen of sound mind.
    How do you support that, since the constitution only mentions that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It says absolutely nothing about the right to purchase or sell arms.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're entitled to your opinion, you don't have to get all defensive about it. I'm just surprised about what a far-leftie you are, that's all.
    Far leftie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    But to return to the original topic, the second amendment doesn't protect the rights of "legal US citizens of sound mind to keep and bear arms" from being infringed. I believe the exact word is the right of the "people" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We apply to first amendment to foreigners, why not the second? We apply the first amendment to the mentally unsound, why not the second?
    Because they are not the militia.

    Unless you feel Iranian citizens are part of the US militia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Liberals like you might want to re-write the constitution, and that's your prerogative as a socialist to do so. But those of us who care about what the original intent of the Framers was have very different views...
    No. Conservatives like me want to follow the constitution and have it interpreted correctly.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Because they are not the militia.

    Unless you feel Iranian citizens are part of the US militia.
    Iranian citizens who are in US jurisdiction have the same right to free speech, right to practice religion and right to keep and bear arms that US citizens do. Rights do not apply only to US citizens, when the founders said "people" they meant all people not just citizens. Please let me know if I can clear up any more misconceptions you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. Conservatives like me want to follow the constitution and have it interpreted correctly.
    LOL So then stop reading words in the Constitution that aren't there. Or else point to me where in the text of the second amendment does it say "sound mind" or "US citizen?" If you can't, you are wrong, leftie.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How do you support that, since the constitution only mentions that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It says absolutely nothing about the right to purchase or sell arms.
    The Feds have the right to regulate sales between the states. Why would not local governments have the same rights under the constitution? Making certain someone is a citizen and or a background check is not restricting a right, as a convicted felons loses those rights upon conviction. Anyone else would have no problem with either. Taxes are a given.
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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How do you support that, since the constitution only mentions that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It says absolutely nothing about the right to purchase or sell arms.

    You're smarter than that. How are you going to possess arms if you can't buy them.

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    Re: 2nd amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Iranian citizens who are in US jurisdiction have the same right to free speech, right to practice religion and right to keep and bear arms that US citizens do. Rights do not apply only to US citizens. Please let me know if I can clear up any more misconceptions you have.
    As soon as an Iranian national is considered part of the militia, you let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    LOL So then stop reading words in the Constitution that aren't there. Or else point to me where in the text of the second amendment does it say "sound mind" or "US citizen?" If you can't, you are wrong, leftie.
    So you are saying "militia" is not there?
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