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Thread: Social Security Fix

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Given that Republicans are claiming they will be offering entitlement reforms in their upcoming budget proposal; i figured this could use a bump. I still think that making people financially independent in such a manner as to bring in new revenue with no liability attached to them would be a powerful wealth building and debt reduction tool.
    SS has been used as a slush fund for so many years with no thought for the future that it is difficult to see how it can now be reformed and fill its role as a retirement fund for seniors. Now that there are a lot more of us over 65, the money paid in to SS no longer exceeds what has to be paid out, so the whole idea is being attacked as social spending that has to be cut back. When more was paid in than had to be paid out, it was a handy ATM for government spending. Now, the time has come to start paying back those IOUs. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Hell will freeze before the Republicans actually talk seriously about taking SS out of the general fund and paying back what is owed to it.
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    The only necessary SS fix, if this is even necessary, is to up the "cut-off" SS tax from 106K to the end of the income spectrum (billions).
    This will, of course, never be as the wealthy wish to keep it all.
    A compromise is an increase to 400K$, I think this is fair.
    The conservatives will block this as well..
    I suspect they want an end to SS and a return to pre FDR days..
    I tend to think they want to join the radical Islamics and push back mans progress to the 16th century..
    Last edited by earthworm; 02-26-11 at 01:17 PM. Reason: Thanks to Haymarket, 106, not 200

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    ""I am particularly interested in liberal critiques of this plan. Conservative ones (it leaves Social Security, which is unconstitutional""
    Security Security is neither Constitutional nor unconstitutional..
    Read your Constitution as I have..without a jaundiced eye.
    CP, you do have a good argument, I may be a Liberal, still it has some merit..
    There is something about the un-inflated SS money that I like.
    SS is NOT broken, the conservatives are probably blocking the possibily necessary increase of the 106K$ cap.......

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The only necessary SS fix, if this is even necessary, is to up the "cut-off" SS tax from 106K to the end of the income spectrum (billions).
    This will, of course, never be as the wealthy wish to keep it all.
    A compromise is an increase to 400K$, I think this is fair.
    The conservatives will block this as well..
    I suspect they want an end to SS and a return to pre FDR days..
    I tend to think they want to join the radical Islamics and push back mans progress to the 16th century..

    Exactly. They could even raise the cap temporarily (just as they did for the temporary tax cuts to the wealthy) until SS is solvent again and then set aside those SS funds so they won't be used to offset other government expenses (remember Gore's lock box proposal).

    SS crisis averted.
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly. They could even raise the cap temporarily (just as they did for the temporary tax cuts to the wealthy) until SS is solvent again and then set aside those SS funds so they won't be used to offset other government expenses (remember Gore's lock box proposal).

    SS crisis averted.
    But that would mean asking those making over $106K per year to pay the same percentage as the rest of us. EGADS!!!!

    You can find a bunch of threads where right wingers advocate a system where we all pay the same percentage ---- watch to see how many jump on this or stay away altogether.
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But that would mean asking those making over $106K per year to pay the same percentage as the rest of us. EGADS!!!!

    Well if we are to get serious about our debt problems, the freeloading will have to stop. You can't cut worker's pay to third world status to pay down the debt.

    Does the expression you can't get blood out of a turnip come to mind?
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well if we are to get serious about our debt problems, the freeloading will have to stop. You can't cut worker's pay to third world status to pay down the debt.

    Does the expression you can't get blood out of a turnip come to mind?
    It does, along with the phrase "no free lunch".
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The only necessary SS fix, if this is even necessary, is to up the "cut-off" SS tax from 106K to the end of the income spectrum (billions).
    1. this leaves the working poor in their current less advantageous position than they would see under privatized accounts. those numbers don't lie: allowing wokers to divert a portion of their SS to privatized accounts which grow tax free is an incredible tool in giving them financial independence.
    2. i sincerely doubt that it would produce solvency for social security, merely to lift the cap.
    3. there is plenty of evidence, in fact, to suggest that the additional funds raised by lifting the cap would be - at best - muted

    This will, of course, never be as the wealthy wish to keep it all.
    everyone wishes to keep it all; the wealthy who seek to reduce their tax exposure are acting no differently from the middle class family who takes a mortgage interest deduction.

    A compromise is an increase to 400K$, I think this is fair.
    The conservatives will block this as well.
    if it's by itself, then yes. i'm willing to hike taxes as part of an overall reform of the system; but not as a standalone.

    I suspect they want an end to SS and a return to pre FDR days.
    i've seen lots of Republicans come up with ways to reform SS. I havent' seen many (or any big names) call for it's removal.

    I tend to think they want to join the radical Islamics and push back mans progress to the 16th century..

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    SS has been used as a slush fund for so many years with no thought for the future that it is difficult to see how it can now be reformed and fill its role as a retirement fund for seniors. Now that there are a lot more of us over 65, the money paid in to SS no longer exceeds what has to be paid out, so the whole idea is being attacked as social spending that has to be cut back. When more was paid in than had to be paid out, it was a handy ATM for government spending. Now, the time has come to start paying back those IOUs. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Hell will freeze before the Republicans actually talk seriously about taking SS out of the general fund and paying back what is owed to it.
    given that it is de facto part of the General Fund now, i don't see what we're going to gain in trying to move it back. that horse has already escaped the barn; and we must deal with what we have now.

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. this leaves the working poor in their current less advantageous position than they would see under privatized accounts. those numbers don't lie: allowing wokers to divert a portion of their SS to privatized accounts which grow tax free is an incredible tool in giving them financial independence.
    i would like to add that this is the portion that truly confuses me. I had always assumed that liberals were seeking to take care of the most vulnerable amongst us, and that it was merely their means that were problematic.

    but, given the option to help middle-low class workers at the cost of reducing the scope of government.... Democrats vote to maintain government, even to the detriment of those for whose "benefit" the program was developed.

    is it really just All About a Big State?
    Last edited by cpwill; 02-27-11 at 02:23 AM.

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