View Poll Results: Your Identity and For/Against this SS Reform model

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  • Socialist and Against

    10 10.99%
  • Socialist and For

    1 1.10%
  • Democrat and Against

    21 23.08%
  • Democrat and For

    6 6.59%
  • Republican and Against

    2 2.20%
  • Republican and For

    22 24.18%
  • Libertarian and Against

    9 9.89%
  • Liberarian and For

    9 9.89%
  • I am for it, but with a particular modification (explain)

    11 12.09%
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Thread: Social Security Fix

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Are you insinuating that there won't be any people that will use their retirement savings for something else. If the government can do it, surely there will be those that will use their funds for other things when they are in dire straits. Then come retirement time = zilch. No SS, no nada.
    There will be more of an incentive to save without government assurances.

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, we all want to become more prosperous but we all have to do it together. The trickle down theory and deregulation have been a failure of accomplishing that. We have 3 decades of experience to show that. It has brought us an unmanageable National debt and a declining middle class, the exactly opposite direction we need to be going in.
    Unimaginable national debt is due to out of control spending not dwindling revenue. Furthermore, the middle class is not dwindling, they are becoming richer. How many times do I have to point this out to you?

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I like how you portray me as greedy. What do you know about me and my views toward charity? Absolutely nothing. You make the assumption that because I don't support the thievery of government paying for the poor that I must hate the poor. It's far from the case. I fully support voluntary charity as it does not require an immoral act.
    You have made it quite clear your views on acquiring personal wealth, and of how it is the responsibility of others to help our fellow man.
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Unimaginable national debt is due to out of control spending not dwindling revenue. Furthermore, the middle class is not dwindling, they are becoming richer. How many times do I have to point this out to you?
    that's untrue. the middle class IS dwindling.

    Analysts Concerned as Statistics Show Steady Decline of American Middle Class - DailyFinance

    So how did the middle class become second class citizens -- or, as Smith puts it, "Debt Serfs"? Not surprisingly, the answer is complicated, involving factors like the rising cost of education, the loss of pension funds and affordable health care, falling middle class wages, and the skyrocketing price of housing. Yet one clear answer lies in manufacturing. When looking at the declining American middle class, a good number to start with is 42,400. That's the total number of factories that the U.S. lost between 2001 and the end of 2009. Put another way, this translates into the outsourcing of 32% of all manufacturing jobs in America.
    See full article from DailyFinance: Analysts Concerned as Statistics Show Steady Decline of American Middle Class - DailyFinance

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Unimaginable national debt is due to out of control spending not dwindling revenue. Furthermore, the middle class is not dwindling, they are becoming richer. How many times do I have to point this out to you?
    It is due to both. If you are having trouble paying your bills, would you suggest that cutting your income while increasing your spending is a good plan? That has been the reality during the last 3 decades, mostly under Republican rule. To avoid debt, you first have to cut wasteful spending and then establish adequate revenues through taxes to pay your bills, which include repaying SS for the money stolen from it.

    Liblady has kindly addressed your mistaken notion that the middle class is not declining. :Sun
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    People are unemployed and not paying SS. And, if they are living with their parents they probably arenít collecting SS. So, please explain what this has to do with SS. thx
    It's about possible potential... Circumstances could change and force some of them to find employment. Even five percent would make an impact.

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is due to both. If you are having trouble paying your bills, would you suggest that cutting your income while increasing your spending is a good plan? That has been the reality during the last 3 decades, mostly under Republican rule. To avoid debt, you first have to cut wasteful spending and then establish adequate revenues through taxes to pay your bills, which include repaying SS for the money stolen from it.

    Liblady has kindly addressed your mistaken notion that the middle class is not declining. :Sun
    When did we ever spend less under Democratic control? Never.
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When did we ever spend less under Democratic control? Never.
    When did we ever spend less nominal dollars under basically any president?
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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Two-thirds of American favor it. I don't care if a small minority have a problem with it.
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    If 93% of people who earn money can pay the tax on ALL their earnings then the other 7% can also.
    This will never happen as long as the wealthy conservatives are in power..

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    Re: Social Security Fix

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What was wrong with what I said? The fact is, there isn't much of a reason for charities to do a lot of work because government is doing a lot of the work for us. Trying to find examples of the kind of charity I'm envisioning in today's age is asking the impossible.
    Check history, housing the poor in the US before SS, housing the SMI before SS, etc.
    You just can't support your position factually.

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