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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK. So what?
    Because there are some who seem to not want to separate private marriage from legal marriage.

    Legal marriage is just about a document proving two people are married. Private marriage can be any damn thing anyone wants, a man and a woman, two men, two women, 1 man and multiple women, 1 woman and multiple men, multiple men and multiple women, of any combination of races and/or religions. The only thing that limits private marriages is if their is someone who is trying to claim a legal marriage that is not recognized as one or if someone tries to do something illegal (violate some consent law) and claim marriage as an excuse.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If 'saying so' was all that mattered, there's be no fuss over same-sex marriage.
    I agree, but I'm not one of those trying to claim that SSM should not be allowed by the states because homosexuality is recognized as a sin or wrong by fill-in-the-blank(s) religion. I recognize that there are important legal rights and responsibilities that come with a legal marriage. This is why it should be given to same sex couples. The legal rights are important.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with polygamy as long as everyone is a consenting adult.
    It promotes societal instability by creating an imbalance between the sexes, it's unduly complicated when it comes to property rights, and it allows for some people to hold multiple marriage licenses which isn't very fair.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It promotes societal instability by creating an imbalance between the sexes, it's unduly complicated when it comes to property rights, and it allows for some people to hold multiple marriage licenses which isn't very fair.
    Some people to hold multiple marriage licenses? I think it would be available to all. Your other points are more supportable, but I don't think insurmountable.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Some people to hold multiple marriage licenses? I think it would be available to all. Your other points are more supportable, but I don't think insurmountable.
    The current law is that every individual is allowed to hold one marriage license. That makes it fair. If people were allowed to hold multiple marriage licenses then some people may choose to marry several different people for no other reason that to profit. Take for example if the top 10 wealthiest people decided to all marry each other as a tax dodge and in order to unify their corporations and assets. That would have fundamentally different effect on society than if 10 of the poorest people married each other.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The current law is that every individual is allowed to hold one marriage license. That makes it fair. If people were allowed to hold multiple marriage licenses then some people may choose to marry several different people for no other reason that to profit. Take for example if the top 10 wealthiest people decided to all marry each other as a tax dodge and in order to unify their corporations and assets. That would have fundamentally different effect on society than if 10 of the poorest people married each other.
    Come now, this is quite a stretch. The ten wealthiest people don't need the pathetic little tax breaks you get for being married; they have FAR better tax shelters to avoid paying any significant percentage. Also, if they wished to merge their assets it could be simply done corporarately, no need to involve marriage, just merger.

    Nor is there any need for multiple marriage licenses, as that would indeed be cumbersome. Just one single "group marriage" contract that spells out the details of the arraingement, what the proceedure will be if one person decides to opt out or if the whole group decides to dissolve their marriage.

    This argument is specious.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Come now, this is quite a stretch.
    Moreover, its irrelevant. Why people want to get married is of no concern to anyone, especially the state.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Not only no, but HELL NO! Religion shouldn't dictate politics and politics shouldn't dictate religion. End of story.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Come now, this is quite a stretch. The ten wealthiest people don't need the pathetic little tax breaks you get for being married; they have FAR better tax shelters to avoid paying any significant percentage. Also, if they wished to merge their assets it could be simply done corporarately, no need to involve marriage, just merger.

    Nor is there any need for multiple marriage licenses, as that would indeed be cumbersome. Just one single "group marriage" contract that spells out the details of the arraingement, what the proceedure will be if one person decides to opt out or if the whole group decides to dissolve their marriage.

    This argument is specious.
    It's not that much of a stretch. Historically speaking, polygamy has been primarily practiced among the wealthy. Marriages were often simply contracts between rulers or wealthy merchants. Imagine one rich merchant wants to set up a permanent trade deal with another rich merchant so the former marries the daughter of the latter. The new father in law of course will be incentived to see that his daughter and grandchildren are well taken care of, and so a good trade deal is no problem. Of course, the wealthy merchant can do this with several other wealthy merchants and become considerably more wealthy while at the same time building himself quite a nice little harem of wives. This is not something that a poor man could accomplish.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because there are some who seem to not want to separate private marriage from legal marriage.

    Legal marriage is just about a document proving two people are married. Private marriage can be any damn thing anyone wants, a man and a woman, two men, two women, 1 man and multiple women, 1 woman and multiple men, multiple men and multiple women, of any combination of races and/or religions. The only thing that limits private marriages is if their is someone who is trying to claim a legal marriage that is not recognized as one or if someone tries to do something illegal (violate some consent law) and claim marriage as an excuse.
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