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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    There is no need to force it, Churches are increasingly choosing to marry same sex couples, bidness is bidness.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Polygamy isn't legal because it's currently a legal nightmare to get a divorce between two people.
    That's not why it isn't legal.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not why it isn't legal.
    Really? Why isn't it legal then? Historically polygamy has been legal far longer than marriage between a man and a woman. It was only with the codification of marriage laws that it became truly illegal.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    I will add only this: those who claim ( in other debates ) that there is no possible way for there to be a separation of church and state are on dangerous ground with regard to things of this nature. That is, it is a sword that cuts both ways: If there is no possible way to have separation of church and state, it becomes the state's responsibility to ensure that churches are a good force in society. As such, if the majority of people believe it to be an injustice for gays to be treated unequally, they ought to force churches to do what what it deems to be right, and thereby force them to marry same sex couples.

    This is perfect example of how churches are protected from the state by the separation clause. Tear down that wall at your own risk, you conservatives. I can assure you that if you succeed, I will be one who advocates of necessity, and by right, for the interference of the state in church matters.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? Why isn't it legal then? Historically polygamy has been legal far longer than marriage between a man and a woman. It was only with the codification of marriage laws that it became truly illegal.
    For moral, traditional, and religious reasons. The difficulty in dissolving it plays little role, if any. The very idea is laughable on its face. Smacks of someone who wants to justify keeping it illegal when all the other arguments for keeping it so are being stripped away.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The difficulty in dissolving it plays little role, if any.
    Indeed - denying someone their rights because it is difficult for the state to prrcess the mechansm of that right would be immediately ridiculed if some other right were in question.

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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not why it isn't legal.
    Only polygamy on a legal marriage contract is illegal. It is not illegal for a man to have a wedding ceremony marrying two women at the same time as long as he only has one of them sign the marriage license and only claims one of them as his legal wife. He can publicly say all he wants that he has two wives and not be arrested. He can introduce both women as "my wife" and not be arrested. As long as he only has one marriage license between him and one of the women.

    It is a lot like same sex marriage now. It is completely legal for two men to say they are married, even in a state that does not allow same sex marriage or recognize them, as long as they are not claiming they are married on legal forms.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only polygamy on a legal marriage contract is illegal. It is not illegal for a man to have a wedding ceremony marrying two women at the same time as long as he only has one of them sign the marriage license and only claims one of them as his legal wife. He can publicly say all he wants that he has two wives and not be arrested. He can introduce both women as "my wife" and not be arrested. As long as he only has one marriage license between him and one of the women.

    It is a lot like same sex marriage now. It is completely legal for two men to say they are married, even in a state that does not allow same sex marriage or recognize them, as long as they are not claiming they are married on legal forms.
    OK. So what?
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Indeed - denying someone their rights because it is difficult for the state to prrcess the mechansm of that right would be immediately ridiculed if some other right were in question.
    It's not even a question of rights. No legislature anywhere ever said "oh, we have to make this illegal because it's too hard to dissolve." As I said -- laughable on its face.
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    Re: Support forcing churches to wed same sex couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only polygamy on a legal marriage contract is illegal. It is not illegal for a man to have a wedding ceremony marrying two women at the same time as long as he only has one of them sign the marriage license and only claims one of them as his legal wife. He can publicly say all he wants that he has two wives and not be arrested. He can introduce both women as "my wife" and not be arrested. As long as he only has one marriage license between him and one of the women.

    It is a lot like same sex marriage now. It is completely legal for two men to say they are married, even in a state that does not allow same sex marriage or recognize them, as long as they are not claiming they are married on legal forms.
    If 'saying so' was all that mattered, there's be no fuss over same-sex marriage.

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