"Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."
We belong to a nation that dropped two atomic bombs on two Japanese civilian cities in the name of national security. We are a nation that took part in bombing civilian cities across Europe in the name of all of Western Europe's security. But today, we choose to pretend for the international audience that we should be dragged through the gutter along with there Nazis and there immoral terrorists for the "torture" of an extreme few for own national security?
Do people actually believe that spies during the Cold War were treated to 4 Star Hotels and a spa program? When all of western Europe was being protected did they search so deeply to find imperfect methods to criticize? What we do for our cecurity (and others) is a matter for the shadows. Bush's only mistake was publicly condoning it for the exceptions, which gave the hypocritical world their stage. All it takes is one waterboarding from America to allow them their preachings on how we are "all the same now."
Maybe we should just drop a nuclear bomb or two. That generation was called "great." Again...**** 'em and their sense of self-righteous tone.
Last edited by MSgt; 11-11-10 at 05:39 PM.
[QUOTE=SE102;1059096139]Given common sense, you could say given the number of 'mickey mouse' detainees who have no information, secret torture camps, where they are likely training eastern europeans to do the same (again who cares, its just an experimental torture network in eastern europe ), I'd say 90% of the torture program is a crock of fascist oppressive right wing human ****.[/quote
that's funny, because i would say not only do you have no clue about that, but you are unlikely to be able to have a clue about that
i'd say 90% of people are all secretly in love with Tina Turner, but refuse to admit to it. go ahead, ask people; do they deny it? AHA!!!!
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Much of that is violated by prison. In the US, life and the right to vote are violated in prison; I'm against both of those punishments.
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Delusion Points - By Stephen M. Walt | Foreign PolicyWithin days of the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration began preparing to authorize a set of practices -- meticulously documented in Jane Mayer's excellent The Dark Side -- that are normally associated with brutal military dictatorships. These measures included the systematic use of torture, the suspension of habeas corpus, secret renditions of suspected terrorists, targeted assassinations, and indefinite detention without trial at Guantánamo and other overseas facilities. These practices were endorsed and approved by John Yoo, a mid-level official in the Bush Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, and Bush admits in his memoir that he personally approved the waterboarding of captured terrorist suspects. The sordid debacle at Abu Ghraib prison was hardly an isolated incident conducted by poorly supervised subordinates; it was in fact entirely consistent with Bush's post-9/11 approach to human rights and civil liberties. And as Obama's inability to shut down Guatánamo suggests, it may take decades to dismantle these practices and restore America's tarnished international image.
But let us define torture -- not as psychologically uncomfortable....not as, "Holy crap, I think I'm going to die," but define it once and for all with words that accurately describe what torture really is.
I have a feeling its definition is as slippery as that of pornography. "I know it when I see it." That definition leaves plenty of room for subjectivity.
Thank you, Quazi!