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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Idk...

    UK Officials Deny George Bush's Claim... - Google News

    So far Bush is being repudiated on his claiming that it has saved lives by the british.

    How effective is torture? Not very | NOLA.com

    Torture and Interrogation in a Time of Terror

    And people did not cave to fascist or communists in droves and had to be executed.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Torture for verifiable information works, the only question is when to use it. I don't care if you like that.

    The US waterboarded three people, total, and it was well worth it.

    We'll have to agree to disagree, if you refuse to recognize what I believe to be reality.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-11-10 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    If it is the year 1600, YES
    If its 2000, NO
    Conservatives, which or what year is it ?
    The honest ones, if any, will say 1600, as it is the era from which the terrorists are operating....
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Verifiable information like what?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    I gave examples. The point is, you check the info and continue interrogation if necessary. When you can tell the recipient, "we checked and you lied, now it ges worse until you tell us something else..." it works. You get the real info, perhaps sometimes after things worse than torture.

    Why do you think the military limits how much info a private gets? It's not just brainpower, it's security because the military knows something about torture... it works under the right circumstances (verifiable info).
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    For defense to justify torture, it would have to be proven that torture improves defense. All information available to me suggests that it does not, and that it wastes our time and effort with false leads.

    Success is the only justification, and torture does not succeed.

    Revenge plays a large role in this scenario, info gathering takes a back seat...Our "not so better people", need to have something to do...

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Torture for verifiable information works...
    How often?
    Under what conditions?

    Are there any other options that work as well or better?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Always? Certainly almost. Let me torture you (and those you implicate, when physical evidence is not available) and see if I don't get some info.
    Verifiable info.

    Let's say no, for argument's sake.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-11-10 at 05:01 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Nazis and Soviets would torture people for months at a time (with no limits on their techniques), receive no pertinent info and ship their victims off to camps or to execution.
    Have you heard of the Nazi's best interrogator?
    With "no limits" on the techniques at his disposal, how do you suppose he became such a renowned and effective interrogator?

    Hanns Scharff

    He has been called the "Master Interrogator" of the Luftwaffe and possibly all of Nazi Germany...
    He is highly praised for the success of his techniques, especially considering he never used physical means to obtain the required information. No evidence exists he even raised his voice in the presence of a prisoner of war (POW). Scharff’s interrogation techniques were so effective that he was often called upon to assist other German interrogators in their questioning of bomber pilots and aircrews, including those crews and fighter pilots from countries other than the United States. Additionally, Scharff was charged with questioning V.I.P.s (Very Important Prisoners) that funneled through the interrogation center, namely senior officers and world-famous fighter aces.
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    Hanns Scharff — Master Interrogator
    Hanns Scharff was primarily an American 8th and 9th Air Force Fighter pilot interrogator. [During WW II against Germany.] He was considered the best of the interrogators at Dulag Luft. He gained the reputation of magically getting all the answers he needed from the prisoners of war, often with the prisoners never realizing that their words, small talk or otherwise, were important pieces of the mosaic. It is said he always treated his prisoners with respect and dignity, and by using psychic not physical techniques, he was able to make them drop their guard and converse with him even though they were conditioned to remain silent.
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 11-11-10 at 05:09 PM.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    No, torture must never be official policy of a free country. There are just some things that are wrong without any exception. You don't even need to look at the giant potential for abuse of such a policy to believe it's wrong.

    Once we drop our standard and allow torture, there is a slippery slope. Next thing are extralegal renditions, denial of fair trials and prison camps. What's next? Considering suspects of all kind guilty without a trial? Skipping the entire legal system and replacing it by drumheads? Doing away with all lawyers? Labor camps? Death camps? I'd rather not go there.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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