Anybody know where to get estimates on total number of active armed jihadists on the globe? I remember a source that cited the US govt put it in the thousands. Possibly not even over 4-5 digits. Active terrorists infiltrating foreign territories is remarkably lower, too.
Oh... what is the problem then...?
How many did it take to screw up a UN mission in Somalia? How many did it take to blow up embassies? A military barracks? A military ship? How many on 9/11? Not many. The point is that since the era of independence in the Middle East, the amount of religious extremist organizations have been exponentially growing. What people are not usually aware of is that, despite their preached hatred towards the West, an overwhelming amount of their violence is directed towards their fellow Muslim. However, our willingness to ignore these groups one attack after another has resulted into one of the most devistating terrorist attack in history (9-11). 9-11 was their way of forcing us to pay them attention and given how every attack since 1993 has been worse than the last, there was no reason to believe that 9-11 would be the last.
The problem is not so much the individual numbers. It is the mass organizations that have graduated into international terrorism with support bases inside the failing civilization of the Middle East and inside areas of Europe. Al-Queda (merely one among hundreds) have based themselves in Sudan, then Afghanistan, tried to in Iraq, and now in Pakistan. With their locations in Asia and Africa wrecked, they seek the sea of Islamic radicalism too ignorant to rise above their prescriptions for safety. Their international weapons of choice have been air planes. Given half a chance, a dirty nuclear bomb would be the ultimate weapon for their unwinnable religious campaign. You see, they (meaning the intelligent ones) have no illusions of victory. They merely wish to wage the war. With Pakistan possessing nuclear bombs, Iran seeking nuclear bombs, and Arab governments looking to keep up, we are looking at a probably Cold War in the Middle East. Launching will not be the problem here. Merely handing one over to a terrorist organization for delivery will do. People may say, "Let them blow each other up!" But mushroom clouds tend to cross borders and regions. And how much better would these zealots have served God if instead of a couple planes in New York they had a bomb? The world's technology has gotten far too deadly for us to keep ignoring failing regions full of terrorist organizations who can't even keep their complaints straight.
Last edited by MSgt; 11-14-10 at 04:01 PM.
I mean if we support torture we should just go ahead and empty out DEATH ROW. Who cares as sometimes laws are made to be broken. YHeeee Hawww!
I think I am gonna mosey on down to the Wal-Mart and get me some beer, flat screeen tv and snacks. Cause I need it.
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Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
I forget the context, but I think I was being picky and objecting that the torture could fail in addition to objecting to context.
waterboard the prisoner: 98% chance he will tell you in time
pretty-please the prisoner: 1% chance he will tell you in time
offer to bribe the prisoner: 5% chance he will tell you in time
search NYC: 5% chance of finding it, with a 0.5% chance of finding and disarming it
search NYC while ordering an evacuation: 2.5% chance of finding the bomb, 100% chance of mass-panic, riots, killings, etc
nobody who actually takes seriously defending the lives, liberty, and property of the American people is going to refuse to waterboard a terrorist on those odds.
that is certainly true. but we are not talking about general policy; we are talking about specialty cases.It's not enough to make generalized torture policy off of.
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