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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Apparently you dont understand what "False dichotomy" means.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem with letting the government torture is that well, you're letting the government torture. For all the bitching I hear about the government being incompetent when dealing with welfare, healthcare, guns, crime, drugs etc. I can't help but wonder why somebody would allow a body they feel is incompetent deal with something like torture. People don't think the federal government should handle marriage but they are willing to entrust it with torture?
    And for all your support of welfare , healthcare and other giveaways, it's a wonder you don't trust the govt with torture.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    I would say that in this case that is a poor excuse because i highly doubt torturing detainees has saved any American lives nor have i seen any evidence of this. not to mention that i do not believe terrorism to be that big of a threat since the media has totally blown it out of proportion , and when you talk to returning soldiers this is evident.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Apparently you dont understand what "False dichotomy" means.
    and obviously you don't understand what values/ethics/integrity means.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There's a word for that. Hypocrisy.
    Not at all. Extreme situations can require extreme measures which would not be considered in more normal circumstances.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Lying isn't a sin in and of itself. There is a Biblical prohibition against telling malicious lies (bearing false witness), but nothing about "white lies." I would speculate that Jesus would strongly encourage telling a lie to save a child.
    so - unless you don't value honesty - you are willing to violate your principles.

    Torture, however, is another matter altogether.
    no, it's not; what we are discussing here is a matter of competing values. no one is claiming that torture is a moral positive, or even morally neutral.

    Somebody needs to keep reminding you guys that bottom line is you are defending torture. Torture!
    i'm aware of that, more aware i think than you are. you've never had to help provide medical aid to a torture victim. (well. 'victim'. more like counter-recipient.) someone needs to keep reminding you guys that in some cases the alternative is lots of dead children. murdered children. and someone needs to keep reminding you that as far as ethics are concerned, you are just as responsible for the results of your inaction as you are for the result of your action.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not at all. Extreme situations can require extreme measures which would not be considered in more normal circumstances.
    Extreme situations are why we have policy in the first place. The State should not have a policy condoning torture when it condemns others for engaging in it.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The State should not have a policy condoning torture when it condemns others for engaging in it.
    Absurd. The US, and the rest of the world, condemns Iran for jailing people yet we all jail people. Why? Because they do it without justification. One CAN condemn someone for doing something that they themselves do - if the condemned do it without justification.

    This is obvious. How could you have even wrote the above quote? By your logic, there should be no arrests allowed in the US because we condemn others for it.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and obviously you don't understand what values/ethics/integrity means.
    Reallly...
    OK - lay out the moral/ethical argument that leads to the conclusion that to not torture someone and allowing a million innocent people to die is a better moral/ethical choice than to torture that someone and save those million people.
    I'm VERY much waiting for your response.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Reallly...
    OK - lay out the moral/ethical argument that leads to the conclusion that to not torture someone and allowing a million innocent people to die is a better moral/ethical choice than to torture that someone and save those million people.
    I'm VERY much waiting for your response.
    I've had enough of your dancing and shuffling around for one month Goob.....suffice it to say, you cannot teach values and ethics to people who thing that torture is ever an option. Sorry.
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