"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
I would say that in this case that is a poor excuse because i highly doubt torturing detainees has saved any American lives nor have i seen any evidence of this. not to mention that i do not believe terrorism to be that big of a threat since the media has totally blown it out of proportion , and when you talk to returning soldiers this is evident.
" Those who plan to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. " -Thomas Jefferson
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
no, it's not; what we are discussing here is a matter of competing values. no one is claiming that torture is a moral positive, or even morally neutral.Torture, however, is another matter altogether.
i'm aware of that, more aware i think than you are. you've never had to help provide medical aid to a torture victim. (well. 'victim'. more like counter-recipient.) someone needs to keep reminding you guys that in some cases the alternative is lots of dead children. murdered children. and someone needs to keep reminding you that as far as ethics are concerned, you are just as responsible for the results of your inaction as you are for the result of your action.Somebody needs to keep reminding you guys that bottom line is you are defending torture. Torture!
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
This is obvious. How could you have even wrote the above quote? By your logic, there should be no arrests allowed in the US because we condemn others for it.
Last edited by ecofarm; 11-14-10 at 02:20 AM.
OK - lay out the moral/ethical argument that leads to the conclusion that to not torture someone and allowing a million innocent people to die is a better moral/ethical choice than to torture that someone and save those million people.
I'm VERY much waiting for your response.
Women (Nasty or otherwise) are going to be the reason that Donald Trump is NEVER President!