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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thank you for confirming what I said.
    It was a sarcastic statement. The U.S. has already outline in its nuclear policy when and where it would use nuclear weapons.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the possible events in question can be demonstrated to be factual,
    Seriously? I'm tired too, but that's ridiculous.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-13-10 at 06:01 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Aren't you a lawyer? If the possible events in question can be demonstrated to be factual, like for example the government trying to give itself the power to torture American citizens, then it's not a slippery slope.
    If the possible events were factual, then you'd not be using if... then. You're arguing a slippery slope.
    So, I ask agaIn:
    Dont you, as a rule, oppose the slippery slope argument?
    Or is that just when it is convenient?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It was a sarcastic statement. The U.S. has already outline in its nuclear policy when and where it would use nuclear weapons.
    Yes... and this confirms exactly what I said. I thank you again.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is German Guy's statement equally hypocritical? I cleaned up the post to be more clear.
    You'll have to ask the guy that used the term first.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Seriously? I'm tired too, but that's ridiculous.
    Why would it be?

    Fallacies in Argumentation

    If there was some reasoning that tells us how flat-earth-solid-sky teaching follows from teaching creationism or how loss of all freedom of speech follows from restricting porn, these examples would not commit the slippery slope fallacy.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm glad you arrived and I don't want the job back, but before you arrived...
    Oh this makes it worse. With two people throwing out the rational facts of events and occurrences, how worse is the extremism of these critics in their zealousy, exaggerations, and grandstanding. I just don't get it. We are at war with an element of a region that wants us to be nothing more than their religious enemy and we still have to contend with the average America who would rather kick American in the balls than to be fair in their criticisms. Who's the enemy?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Seriously? I'm tired too, but that's ridiculous.
    Why would it be?

    Fallacies in Argumentation

    If there was some reasoning that tells us how flat-earth-solid-sky teaching follows from teaching creationism or how loss of all freedom of speech follows from restricting porn, these examples would not commit the slippery slope fallacy.
    If the government can say that a foreigner who has valuable information can be tortured if it feels it will 'save lives' it stands to reason that it would do the same to its own citizens under the same pretense.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 11-13-10 at 06:07 PM.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There's a word for that. Hypocrisy.
    Well, that's the very grey world. Even peace loving Switzerland protects the bankroll of criminals of all kinds.
    Last edited by MSgt; 11-13-10 at 06:09 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    If the possible events in question can be demonstrated to be factual,
    1. Then the events are not longer "possible", they are "fact".
    or
    2. Possible events that happened some other time are more likely.

    Both possible meanings are nonsense.


    Anyway, of course the person with the code to the bomb gets tortured and citizenship doesn't matter. Caring about citizenship in this scenario is also nonsense.


    I'm declaring shenanigans.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-13-10 at 06:13 PM.

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