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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There's a word for that. Hypocrisy.
    Not so much... There s a difference between "a matter of policy" and "If the situation warrants".
    The United States does not, asa matter of policy, use nuclear weapons on cities - but will if the situation warrants.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    a country can condemn torture as a matter of policy and still use it when the situation dictates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There's a word for that. Hypocrisy.
    How about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    As I said, if I was in the position to decide to employ torture, and I personally am convinced this would help saving the lives of thousands of people, I'd probably do it too. But I still don't believe torture should ever become official policy, or be legal.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-13-10 at 05:53 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fallacy in your question is thinking that it's a slippery slope argument to begin with. It isn't
    Logical Fallacy: Slippery Slope

    If A happens, then by a gradual series of small steps through B, C,…, X, Y, eventually Z will happen, too.
    Z should not happen.
    Therefore, A should not happen, either.
    You:
    -Letting a government torture opens the door for it to torture anyone....
    -If the government is allowed to torture anyone, then it can torture anyone.
    Thus, it is demonstrated.

    So, I ask agaIn:
    Dont you, as a rule, oppose the slippery slope argument?
    Or is that just when it is convenient?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How about that?
    Not sure what your point is or at whom it is directed...?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not so much... There s a difference between "a matter of policy" and "If the situation warrants".
    The United States does not, asa matter of policy, use nuclear weapons on cities - but will if the situation warrants.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/06arms.html

    It eliminates much of the ambiguity that has deliberately existed in American nuclear policy since the opening days of the cold war. For the first time, the United States is explicitly committing not to use nuclear weapons against nonnuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, even if they attacked the United States with biological or chemical weapons or launched a crippling cyberattack.
    Current U.S. policy on the use of nuclear weapons:

    U.S. "Negative Security Assurances" At a Glance | Arms Control Association

    The United States reaffirms that it will not use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapon States Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons except in the case of an invasion or any other attack on the United States, its territories, its armed forces or other troops, its allies, or on a State towards which it has a security commitment, carried out or sustained by such a non-nuclear-weapon State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State
    .... there's very little ambiguity in when and where we'll use nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure what your point is or at whom it is directed...?
    Is German Guy's statement equally hypocritical? I cleaned up the post to be more clear.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-13-10 at 05:55 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    False dichotomy.
    A country need not "embrace" torture in order to use it when the situation dictates; a country can condemn torture as a matter of policy and still use it when the situation dictates.
    Your absolute statements are writing checks that your argument can't cash.
    Sorry....but you are wrong. You are either a nation who condones torture or condemns it.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but you are wrong. You are either a nation who condones torture or condemns it.
    Apparently you dont understand what "False dichotomy" means.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Logical Fallacy: Slippery Slope

    You:

    Thus, it is demonstrated.
    Aren't you a lawyer? If the possible events in question can be demonstrated to be factual, like for example the government trying to give itself the power to torture American citizens after it's allowed the torture of foreign citizens, then it's not a slippery slope.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 11-13-10 at 05:57 PM.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .... there's very little ambiguity in when and where we'll use nuclear weapons.
    Thank you for confirming what I said.

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