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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    You win, MSgt.
    I guess. I'm just trying to have a conversation with the person.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    So yes, the analogy is valid. People who defend torture of GITMO detainees today....
    And here it is! Who? Who in GITMO is tortured? Do you have any clue outside the rumors that even Democrats have grown bored of exaggerating about?

    You people are so busy accusing or defending the idea of torture that you don't stop to acknowledge the facts or the reality of its existence. The "torture of GITMO detainees today" is a myth and an exaggerated lie. Always has been. These detainees are treated better than American prisoners across our nation.
    Last edited by MSgt; 11-13-10 at 04:45 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're being glib. Iron maidens aren't the only form of torture, but that is essentially what we're talking about here.

    So yes, the analogy is valid. People who defend torture of GITMO detainees today are the same sort of people who were defending the Spanish Inquisition 500 years ago (from a moral standpoint).
    Which Gitmo detainees have been tortured, and in what manner?
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the government is allowed to torture anyone, then it can torture anyone. Do you disagree or not? Citizenship is nothing more than a nuisance. Not an actual obstacle.
    You didnt answer the questions:
    Dont you, as a rule, oppose the slippery slope argument?
    Or is that just when it is convenient?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Until I posted the three names among the tens of thousands that have been captured, everybody on this thread simply ran with the idea that America's torture machine was in full affect... It was me that had to offer the lot of you your own criticism. But even with these three being an exception part of this war and none since 2007, you still protest. For what?
    I'm glad you arrived and I don't want the job back, but before you arrived...

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    three people that the US waterboarded. "Torturing"...

    The three times the US waterboarded...

    Waterboard 3 internationally-well-known terrorists...
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    three terrorists that the US waterboarded (if we are to consider that torture)...

    three waterboardings...

    a matter of public record).
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    The US waterboarded three people, total,
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    three times (for the US) since 9/11.
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    the three times it has been used in reality by the US since 9/11.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How far we've fallen as a nation?? We've never been more humane in warfare in the history of our country. In the history of our world. We do everything humanely possible to spare civilians lives, at the expense, I might add, of our own troops.

    Please don't equate those who believe that waterboarding is not torture with those who chop off heads, use tasers on private parts, break arms and legs, cut off fingers and toes, hang people upside down, hang 'em by hands tied behind their backs. It's just not the same.

    How far we've fallen as a nation is shown by how our politicians use war as a tool to garner votes.
    Nothing but rationalization and justification. We are either a nation that embraces torture or condemns it. You want to talk about degrees. That, my friend is nothing but rationalization.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    I say we embrace it and sing songs of praise.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    We are either a nation that embraces torture or condemns it.
    False dichotomy.
    A country need not "embrace" torture in order to use it when the situation dictates; a country can condemn torture as a matter of policy and still use it when the situation dictates.
    Your absolute statements are writing checks that your argument can't cash.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    a country can condemn torture as a matter of policy and still use it when the situation dictates.
    There's a word for that. Hypocrisy.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You didnt answer the questions:
    Dont you, as a rule, oppose the slippery slope argument?
    Or is that just when it is convenient?
    The fallacy in your question is thinking that it's a slippery slope argument to begin with. It isn't. The government has already played around with the notion of giving itself the power to torture American citizens. Ever heard of the Wickersham Commission? It suggested that in order to enforce prohibition, the government should use force to extract information from American citizens.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 11-13-10 at 05:41 PM.
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