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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. Dont you, as a rule, oppose the slippery slope argument?
    Or is that just when it is convenient?
    If the government is allowed to torture anyone, then it can torture anyone. Do you disagree or not? Citizenship is nothing more than a nuisance. Not an actual obstacle.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the government is allowed to torture anyone, then it can torture anyone. Do you disagree or not?
    Anyone or everyone? The government can arrest anyone but not everyone.

    Not everyone gets arrested and not everyone gets tortured. There're guidelines, authorization and stuff.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-13-10 at 04:03 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Secular humanists and atheists like to make consequentialist arguments like these. I find it nonsensical. If an action is morally wrong, then it is morally wrong, period, it doesn't matter how much utility an immoral action has, it simply must not be done.
    so no, you would not tell a white lie to save a childs' life.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the government is allowed to torture anyone, then it can torture anyone. Do you disagree or not? Citizenship is nothing more than a nuisance. Not an actual obstacle.
    The slippery slope argument too often stifles our progress. This occurs when people forget their own culture. We are not in danger of becoming French or German anymore than we are in danger of haphazardly dropping nuclear bombs around the globe. We can't perform abortion for the raped because of the "slippery slope." We can't experiment with stem cells because of the "slippery slope." We can't allow the Pledge of Allegiance in schools or the Ten Commandments on court steps because of the "slippery slope." Ours is a culture that has proven to be able to draw lines in the sand and then re-draw them as needed. Never have we lost control or become our enemy.
    Last edited by MSgt; 11-13-10 at 03:49 PM.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I'm not sure why you are calling me a coward.
    Because you're hiding behind turns of phrase and innuendo and suggestion.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well I can answer this question. It's you that could not without my assistance.
    So you throw those names out there and then ask me who got tortured and when I point to the information that YOU posted, I can't answer the question for your assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The reason for this is that you are quite content running off of the assumptions, exaggerations and lies that have branded this nation as a tyrant. Torturous secret camps across Europe and GITMO depravities have all come down to nothing. Yet, the rumors and the assumptions persist.
    No, I'm running off the many distasteful things that this nation's government has done, then denied doing, then got caught doing.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because you're hiding behind turns of phrase and innuendo and suggestion.
    Like what? Explain.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so no, you would not tell a white lie to save a childs' life.
    Lying isn't a sin in and of itself. There is a Biblical prohibition against telling malicious lies (bearing false witness), but nothing about "white lies." I would speculate that Jesus would strongly encourage telling a lie to save a child.

    Torture, however, is another matter altogether.

    Somebody needs to keep reminding you guys that bottom line is you are defending torture. Torture!

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, another fatal flaw in this thread . . .

    Some are arguing, apparently, about making "torture" a policy, while others are talking about a "ticking bomb" situation. Not the same thing at all. This, too, goes back to the equivocal language in the original post.
    Good point Harshaw, we need to keep the argument straight.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Lying isn't a sin in and of itself. There is a Biblical prohibition against telling malicious lies (bearing false witness), but nothing about "white lies." I would speculate that Jesus would strongly encourage telling a lie to save a child.

    Torture, however, is another matter altogether.

    Somebody needs to keep reminding you guys that bottom line is you are defending torture. Torture!
    Right. They're talking about lining the walls with iron maidens. I hear that was in the black ops budget before Obama killed it.
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