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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, you changed the subject and I slipped and let you get away with it by responding in kind. That was a mistake on my part, I got caught up in the moment.
    I just followed what you said.

    But you still haven't given me a definitive answer on my actual question, which isn't about giving anyone authority to do anything.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I actually didn't say any such thing, liar.
    Oh, don't get worked up. Your exact wording was that we take a piece of their humanity. This is actually more fortune cookie, but it's the same thing. To suggest that taking humanity away from people through "torture" suggests that such things don't occur during the normal recourse of some impractical sense of perfect warfare. In the end, the wars end, and the players go back to their corners. Morality is very subjective to the individual and his luxuries.


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think the fact that the United States of America dropped atomic bombs on civilian population centers is a black mark on our "moral authority" that will never, ever go away.

    At any rate, I don't care if the people we torture are terrorists or Girl Scouts, it's evil no matter who you do it to.
    This is what I mean. You think too hard on such things. Our moral authority was not in question throughout the Cold War despite the Dresden, Hiroshima, & Nagasaki, Vietnam, and "Reagan's quest for a nuclear holocaust."

    No empire has risen out of perfection. See, it's one thing to state that we screwed up here and there. Another to state that such things have such alarming ramifications, despite the truth of history.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I never said it's legal. Will you stop putting words in my mouth, please?
    Well, I don't mean to do that. This argument always tends to imply untruths.


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    At any rate, I want my government to stop torturing people, and I want those who tortured to be punished alongside those who ordered or authorized or ignored the torture.
    And this would be that untruth. Your comlaint has no real stage. Who has been tortured? I know of three that have been waterboarded. If I hadn't listed the three that are the only ones on record, you wouldn't even know about them. But you don;t like using the word "waterboard." You prefer "torture." Does it make the exaggerations more delicious?
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
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    Whatever floats your boat
    Doesnt change the fact that, all this time, while discussing your subjective opinion, you've presented nothing more compelling than you liking the taste of chocolate.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I just followed what you said.

    But you still haven't given me a definitive answer on my actual question, which isn't about giving anyone authority to do anything.
    I have no interest in talking about it because, to be honest, unless and until I'm ever in such a dreadful situation I won't know the answer.

    All I know for certain is that I hate and distrust the hacks that run this country enough that I don't want the government to have the authority to do it ever ever ever.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    I don't know of anyone who wants to give the government "authority" to "torture." I think there are about five innings' worth of stolen bases there.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    And this would be that untruth. Your comlaint has no real stage. Who has been tortured? I know of three that have been waterboarded.
    Well, then, you've answered your own question.

    At any rate, I'm positive the list is longer, and my assertion is based on the record my government has for doing distasteful things in the name of expedience when I'm not looking.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I don't know of anyone who wants to give the government "authority" to "torture." I think there are about five innings' worth of stolen bases there.
    I kinda figured that arguing that the government should have the power to torture goes hand-in-hand with a discussion titled "Does defense justify torture."

    ETA: To clarify, I should've said, "whether or not the government should have the power."
    Last edited by TacticalEvilDan; 11-13-10 at 03:09 PM.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I kinda figured that arguing that the government should have the power to torture goes hand-in-hand with a discussion titled "Does defense justify torture."
    That is, as I pointed out above, a problem with the language in the OP. Far too vague.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Sure thing, coward.

    We're done here.
    I'm not sure why you are calling me a coward. After 18 years of Marine Corps in four separate engagements, I've proven quite the opposite. But, I understand your world is different from mine. I have been very clear. I find it humerous that without being insulted you feel that your only response to not being able to add some substance to your accusations of a torturous America is to insult. It's not something to get wounded over.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Well, then, you've answered your own question.
    Well I can answer this question. It's you that could not without my assistance. The reason for this is that you are quite content running off of the assumptions, exaggerations and lies that have branded this nation as a tyrant. Torturous secret camps across Europe and GITMO depravities have all come down to nothing. Yet, the rumors and the assumptions persist.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    At any rate, I'm positive the list is longer, and my assertion is based on the record my government has for doing distasteful things in the name of expedience when I'm not looking.
    Well, you're not positive. You assume. And you aren't really looking now. You've merely heard rumors. Rumors that the Democratic Party are no longer a part of. Perhaps because the time to cash in on the over zealous accusations have served its purpose. Perhaps because there was never really anything to it. One would think that President Obama would blow the lid off of exactly what he used to criticize, but he hasn't. What does this tell you?

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