This thread was badly flawed from the outset, mostly because it began on such equivocal terms. So, some people here are talking about waterboarding. Some people here are talking about thumbscrews, branding irons, and strapping people to metal bedframes and running a current through it. Some people are talking about "defense" as in any minor situation, whereas others are referring to extreme situations of imminent danger to many people.
And no one's making it clear what they mean.
So, now, we've got "you want the government to TORTURRRRE!!!!" obviously implying that the people they're aiming the comment at wouldn't mind any average Joe plucked from the street hanging from shackles with electrodes attached to their testicles, for no reason other than to get mundane information or even just for sadistic pleasure. I'm absolutely certain NO ONE is arguing that, or anything remotely close to it.
2001-2008: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
2009-2016: Dissent is the highest form of racism.
2017-? (Probably): Dissent is the highest form of misogyny.
I value the right to free assembly, but I realize we must compromise this right for those in prison.
I value the right to life, but I will shoot someone to prevent a murder, rape, etc.
I still value liberty and life... but these things are not and never will be absolute.
Simple example: stealing is always wrong? What if you are in occupied France WWII and your family is starving... steal from the Nazis? Is that wrong? No.
Stop with your absolutes. The only thing I can thnk of that is always wrong is rape. I would have a very hard time justifying that to stop a catastropic event, even if it could somehow avoid the catastrophy; however, torture - no problem.
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I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
They may as well bitch about whether or not America should be nuking China.
It was always BS. And arguing about it like this merely legitimizes the untruth.
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Nevertheless, a numerical argument is asinine.
One person tortured is one too many.