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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sounds like BS and "Justification" to me. If you are changing your values depending on the threat faced, then you absolutely are flucuating.

    There are some areas that are absolutely black and white. Ethics/Values/Integrity are not areas that are gray. Sorry.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    I am absolutely positively against torture for any reason whatsoever, and while I could make mine a human rights argument, my main objection has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any such thing.

    I'll repeat that, for the hacks in the audience -- the main reason I will never condone torture has nothing to do with the rights of terrorists, or enemy combatants, or criminals, or whatever the buzz-term of the day is.

    My argument is that there are some things that are so base / inhumane / evil that you simply should not do them in the name of any person / thing / cause. If you do, you dramatically reduce or eliminate the value of that which you are attempting to protect / promote.

    I do not love mere existence enough to permit someone else to sell my humanity up the river in exchange for my life.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Would it be effective to torture the children of captives?

    I think that I would break much more quickly if it was a question of my child being tortured than me being tortured.

    So, let's torture the children of terrorists and terrorist suspects.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Good guys don't torture. And good guys wouldn't have to in the first place.
    What does THAT mean?
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Would it be effective to torture the children of captives?

    I think that I would break much more quickly if it was a question of my child being tortured than me being tortured.

    So, let's torture the children of terrorists and terrorist suspects.

    As long as we make sure to do so in that shining beacon on the hill everybody talks about.........
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    The fact that we are sitting around talking about this...shows how far we have fallen as a nation.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that we are sitting around talking about this...shows how far we have fallen as a nation.
    How far we've fallen as a nation?? We've never been more humane in warfare in the history of our country. In the history of our world. We do everything humanely possible to spare civilians lives, at the expense, I might add, of our own troops.

    Please don't equate those who believe that waterboarding is not torture with those who chop off heads, use tasers on private parts, break arms and legs, cut off fingers and toes, hang people upside down, hang 'em by hands tied behind their backs. It's just not the same.

    How far we've fallen as a nation is shown by how our politicians use war as a tool to garner votes.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that we are sitting around talking about this...shows how far we have fallen as a nation.
    I don't think that's necessarily fair. Americans are a diverse bunch, no matter what issue you put out there you're gonna get someone on the other side.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that we are sitting around talking about this...shows how far we have fallen as a nation.
    Yes -- that ANY consideration is given to the idea that we should NOT turture someone to stop a catastiphic attack on the US does indeed indeed indicate that we, as a nation, have fallen.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that we are sitting around talking about this...shows how far we have fallen as a nation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes -- that ANY consideration is given to the idea that we should NOT turture someone to stop a catastiphic attack on the US does indeed indeed indicate that we, as a nation, have fallen.
    Actually, the idea that we as a nation should mindlessly proceed in either direction simply shows how alienated the extremes of both left and right have become from reality.

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