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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It's impossible for any human to watch that traffic. I believe it's filtered through computers if it exists. If it doesnt already it should.
    It does exist, but it shouldn't exist.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Life is not fair. Ya'll expect that, because we're the United States of America, we can make no mistakes. We make 'em. But we try as hard as any other nation on earth not to.

    Headache this morning? ;-)
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I'm not saying that everyone there is 100% guilty or that there are not people there who were falsely accused by an enemy. But that is not the same thing as "randomly" thrown in. When you say "randomly thrown in" it makes it sound like we picked a village off the map and went through and snatched up every 3rd guy we saw.
    We offered rewards. So we didn't need to do the picking. Seriously though, when we're offering cash for "terrorists", there's not much stopping people from making things up. And even if that's not the case, we'd know that many inside GITMO are not guilty. Our own justice system has many checks and balances on it, yet it is still not unheard of for innocent people to get sentenced to jail. And that's with all those checks and balances. You remove the flood gate and more innocents will get swept in.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

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    Headache this morning? ;-)
    Not at all, I take ma vitaminz.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, then, we disagree, Ikari. And I venture to say we also disagree on whether or not waterboarding rises to the level of torture. If I take the position just for a moment that it does rise to that level, then I still have the condundrum that these prisoners were terrorists. Terrorists have no protection under any international treaties.

    The fact that our government prosecuted the Japanese in WWII for waterboarding is immaterial. They were waterboarding POWs protected explicitly by the Geneva Convention.
    They're terrorists because we've decided to call them that. But people are calling for a general torture policy which is not a good or decent or high ground thing. Especially considering our lack of care when hucking people into jail. We say they're terrorists so that we don't have to think of a human component. But man of those we call terrorists probably never were before.

    BTW, it's not immaterial. It means that we believe that waterboarding is a form of torture. Which it is.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It does exist, but it shouldn't exist.
    Yeah but since it does we don't have to torture so many people, see...

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Life is not fair. Ya'll expect that, because we're the United States of America, we can make no mistakes. We make 'em. But we try as hard as any other nation on earth not to.

    Headache this morning? ;-)
    I'm not saying that we don't make mistakes. I'm just looking to not grieviously infringe upon the rights and liberties of others. If you're going to throw people in jail and label them terrorists so you can torture them....we should maybe do a little something something to see if they really were terrorists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Yeah but since it does we don't have to torture so many people, see...
    We don't need to torture so many people anyway. I'm not going to accept one infringement of rights to avoid another.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We don't need to torture so many people anyway. I'm not going to accept one infringement of rights to avoid another.
    It's at this point a philosophical issue, if some computer scours through my data searching for hot patterns or whatever I dont really care. No human sees it. I hope.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They're terrorists because we've decided to call them that. But people are calling for a general torture policy which is not a good or decent or high ground thing. Especially considering our lack of care when hucking people into jail. We say they're terrorists so that we don't have to think of a human component. But man of those we call terrorists probably never were before.
    The fallback position is that they're innocent? Why do we always believe the worst of our government? That is Conspiracy Theorism at its finest.

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